Hi, I have very simple balanced randomized block design where I total have 48 observations of a measure of weights of a product, the product was manufactured at 4 sites, so each site has 12 observations. I want to use lme() from nlme package to estimate the standard error of the product weight.
So the data look like: MW site 1 54031 1 2 55286 1 3 54396 2 4 52327 2 5 55963 3 6 54893 3 7 57338 4 8 55597 4 : : : The random effect model is: Y = mu + b + e where b is random block effect and e is model error. so I fitted a lme model as: obj<-lme(MW~1, random=~1|site, data=dat) summary(obj) Linear mixed-effects model fit by REML Random effects: Formula: ~1 | site (Intercept) Residual StdDev: 2064.006 1117.567 Fixed effects: MW ~ 1 Value Std.Error DF t-value p-value (Intercept) 55901.31 1044.534 44 53.51796 0 : : Number of Observations: 48 Number of Groups: 4 I also did: anova(obj) numDF denDF F-value p-value (Intercept) 1 44 2864.173 <.0001 I believe my standard error estimate is from "Residual" under "Random Effects" part of summary(), which is 1117.567. Now my question is regarding t test under "Fixed effects". I think it's testing whether the over mean weight is 0 or not, which is not interesting anyway. But how the standard error of 1044.534 is calculated? I thought it should be sqrt(MSE)=1117.567 instead. anyone can explain? Same goes to the F test using anova(obj). The F test statistic is equal to square of the t test statistic because of 1 df of numerator. But what's the mean sum of squares of numerator and denominator, where to find them? BTW, I think denominator mean sum of squares (MSE) should be 1117.567^2, but this is not consistent to the standard error in the t test (1044.534). Thanks a lot for any help John ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.