Hi, Your results are do to using an unstable parameterization of the Von Bertalanffy growth curve, combined with the unreliable optimization methods supplied with R. I coded up your model in AD Model Builder which supplies exact derivatives through AD.
I used your starting values and ran the model with no optimization steps just to se that we had the same value for the -log-likelihood Results are # Number of parameters = 5 Objective function value = -11.6954 Maximum gradien t component = 0.00000 # winf: 24.2720681300 # k: 0.0467984400000 # t0: 0.00100000000000 # vhat: 0.0100000000000 # b: 1.61760492000 However the R routine is stuck. When I let the ADMB code run it produced # Number of parameters = 5 Objective function value = -13.8515 Maximum gradient component = 9.41643e-05 # winf: 15.7188821203 # k: 0.118198731245 # t0: -32.9089295327 # vhat: 0.00471832483493 # b: 184.999879271 Note that b--> infinity. I have it bounded at 185. t0--> -infinity so that the model is only using a small part of the growth curve which happens to fit the data better. The estimated correlation matrix for the parameter estimates tells the story index name value std dev 1 2 3 4 5 1 winf 1.5719e+01 5.1252e+00 1.0000 2 k 1.1820e-01 2.7849e-02 -0.9832 1.0000 3 t0 -3.2909e+01 7.6867e+00 -0.9748 0.9990 1.0000 4 vhat 4.7183e-03 2.0119e-03 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 1.0000 5 b 1.8500e+02 1.6374e+00 -0.0002 0.0003 -0.0094 0.0000 1.0000 You can see that several of the parameters are highly confounded. Also the eigenvalues of the Hessian are 0.01691149331 0.02045399106 963.2994413 2255.900979 4225373.963 So you have a condition number of about 10^8. Very difficult to work with such a function with only approximate derivatives. I think the moral of the story is that you should use a more stable parameterization or an industrial strength estimation system or maybe both. Cheers, Dave Cheers, Dave -- David A. Fournier P.O. Box 2040, Sidney, B.C. V8l 3S3 Canada Phone/FAX 250-655-3364 http://otter-rsch.com ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.