Dear John,

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, John Fox wrote:

        I'm trying to fit a pretty simple confirmatory factor analysis using
the sem package. There's a CFA example in the examples, which is helpful,
but the output for my (failing) model is hard to understand. I'd be
interested in any other ways to do a CFA in R, if this proves
troublesome.

        The CFA is replicating a 5 uncorrelated-factor structure (for those
interested, it is a structure of word usage patterns in weblogs) in a
special population. The model looks like model.txt (attached as many
people hate long emails); the correlation matrix cors.txt as well.

As far as I can see, the attachments aren't there. If you like, you can
send them to me privately. Without the input covariance matrix and your
model, it's very hard to tell what the source of the problem is, but one
guess (assuming that you've specified the model correctly) is that the
assumption of uncorrelated factors is too far off. Also see below.

I have pasted the matrix into another email; apologies for failing to attach
them acceptably before.

I also augmented the model to allow the factors to correlate, by adding
these lines to the model:

Melancholy <-> Social, Soc.Mel, NA
Melancholy <-> Rant, Rant.Mel, NA
Melancholy <-> Work, Work.Mel, NA
Melancholy <-> Metaphysical, Meta.Mel, NA
Social <-> Rant, Soc.Rant, NA
Social <-> Work, Soc.Work, NA
Social <-> Metaphysical, Soc.Meta, NA
Rant <-> Work, Rant.Work, NA
Rant <-> Metaphysical, Rant.Meta, NA
Work <-> Metaphysical, Work.Meta, NA

...and obtain the same errors.


        I'm setting no overlap between factors, no correlation between
factors, and estimating a separate variance for each observed variable
(which should be everything on the right-hand side of the -> arrows), but
setting the factor variances equal to 1...pretty standard. I've ensured
that
everything is typed correctly to the best I am able.

        The problem:

library(sem)
model.kr <- specify.model(file="model.txt") # printing it checks out ok
correl <- read.csv("cors.csv", header=TRUE) # printing it checks out ok
kr.sem <- sem(ram=model.kr,S=correl,N=3034)
...about 10 seconds pass...
Warning message:
In sem.default(ram = ram, S = S, N = N, param.names = pars, var.names =
vars,
:
   Could not compute QR decomposition of Hessian.
Optimization probably did not converge.

(running qr on correl works fine; randomly-generated correl matrices fail
in
the same way; I do not know how to further troubleshoot this)

Doing a QR decomposition on the correlation matrix of the data is
essentially irrelevant. The issue is the Hessian. (The scaled inverse
Hessian is the covariance matrix of the parameter estimates, not of the
data.) That you observe similar problems for randomly generated covariance
matrices may or may not be troublesome, depending upon how you generated
them.

df <- as.data.frame(matrix(rnorm(3034*24),nrow=3034,ncol=24))
df.cor <- cor(df)
rownames(df.cor) <- colnames(df.cor) <- colnames(correl)
sem.df <- sem(model.kr, df.cor, 3034)

...which now does not throw errors with the new model, even though that syntax
was copied from my .Rhistory. I think I may have gotten unlucky with random
data the first time.

Thanks for the info on what the error message means, though--I was largely
in the dark on that.

...and then the model itself (which is produced, as the above was just a
warning):

summary(kr.sem)
Error in data.frame(object$coeff, se, z, 2 * (1 - pnorm(abs(z))),
par.code) :
   arguments imply differing number of rows: 47, 0

If the Hessian isn't positive-definite, it won't be possible to get
estimated coefficient standard errors. I suspect that this is the source
of this error message. If so, it would be better for summary.sem() to
provide a more informative error message.

This makes sense. It may also be useful for the sem() function to throw an
error rather than a warning if the Hessian matrix cannot be decomposed,
perhaps? How often is an SEM model without estimated coefficient standard
errors desirable?

Thanks again for the assistance. I think the trouble may now be in my
correlation matrix; I will play around with my model and see whether
something else is more reasonable.

--Adam

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