No, no, no. I have solved the Monty Hall problem and the Girl's problem and this is quite different. Imagine this, I get the envelope and I open it and it has £A (A=10 or any other amount it doesn't matter), a third friend gets the other envelope, he opens it, it has £B, now £B could be either £2A or £A/2. He doesn't know what I have, he doesn't have any additional information. According to your logic, he should switch, as he has a 50% chance of having £2B and 50% chance of having £B/2. But the same logic applies to me. In conclusion, its advantageous for both of us to switch. But this is a paradox, if I'm expected to make a profit, then surely he's expected to make a loss! This is why this problem is so famous. If you look at the last lines of my simulation, I get, conditional on the first envelope having had £10, that the second envelope has £5 approximatedly 62.6% of the time and 37.4% for the second envelope. In fact, it doesn't matter what the original distribution of money in the envelopes is, conditional on the first having £10, you should exactly see 2/3 of the second envelopes having £5 and 1/3 having £20. But I'm getting a slight deviation from this ratio, which is consistent, and I don't know why.

Cheers,
Mario.

Greg Snow wrote:
You are simulating the answer to a different question.

Once you know that one envelope contains 10, then you know conditional on that 
information that either x=10 and the other envelope holds 20, or 2*x=10 and the 
other envelope holds 5.  With no additional information and assuming random 
choice we can say that there is a 50% chance of each of those.  A simple 
simulation (or the math) shows:

tmp <- sample( c(5,20), 100000, replace=TRUE )
mean(tmp)
[1] 12.5123

Which is pretty close to the math answer of 12.5.

If you have additional information (you believe it unlikely that there would be 
20 in one of the envelopes, the envelope you opened has 15 in it and the other 
envelope can't have 7.5 (because you know there are no coins and there is no 
such thing as a .5 bill in the local currency), etc.) then that will change the 
probabilities, but the puzzle says you have no additional information.

Your friend is correct in that switching is the better strategy.

Another similar puzzle that a lot of people get confused over is:

"I have 2 children, one of them is a girl, what is the probability that the other is 
also a girl?"

Or even the classic Monty Hall problem (which has many answers depending on the 
motivation of Monty).

Hope this helps,

(p.s., the above children puzzle is how I heard the puzzle, I actually have 4 
children (but the 1st 2 are girls, so it was accurate for me for a while).

--
Gregory (Greg) L. Snow Ph.D.
Statistical Data Center
Intermountain Healthcare
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Subject: [R] Two envelopes problem

A friend of mine came to me with the two envelopes problem, I
hadn't heard of this problem before and it goes like this:
someone puts an amount `x' in an envelope and an amount `2x'
in another. You choose one envelope randomly, you open it,
and there are inside, say £10. Now, should you keep the £10
or swap envelopes and keep whatever is inside the other
envelope? I told my friend that swapping is irrelevant since
your expected earnings are 1.5x whether you swap or not. He
said that you should swap, since if you have £10 in your
hands, then there's a 50% chance of the other envelope having
£20 and 5% chance of it having £5, so your expected earnings
are £12.5 which is more than £10 justifying the swap. I told
my friend that he was talking non-sense. I then proceeded to
write a simple R script (below) to simulate random money in
the envelopes and it convinced me that the expected earnings
are simply
1.5 * E(x) where E(x) is the expected value of x, a random
variable whose distribution can be set arbitrarily. I later
found out that this is quite an old and well understood
problem, so I got back to my friend to explain to him why he
was wrong, and then he insisted that in the definition of the
problem he specifically said that you happened to have £10
and no other values, so is still better to swap. I thought
that it would be simply to prove in my simulation that from
those instances in which £10 happened to be the value seen in
the first envelope, then the expected value in the second
envelope would still be £10. I run the simulation and
surprisingly, I'm getting a very slight edge when I swap,
contrary to my intuition. I think something in my code might
be wrong. I have attached it below for whoever wants to play
with it. I'd be grateful for any feedback.

# Envelopes simulation:
#
# There are two envelopes, one has certain amount of money
`x', and the other an # amount `r*x', where `r' is a positive
constant (usaully r=2 or r=0.5).
You are
# allowed to choose one of the envelopes and open it. After
you know the amount # of money inside the envelope you are
given two options: keep the money from # the current envelope
or switch envelopes and keep the money from the second #
envelope. What's the best strategy? To switch or not to switch?
#
# Naive explanation: imagine r=2, then you should switch
since there is a 50% # chance for the other envelope having
2x and 50% of it having x/2, then your # expected earnings
are E = 0.5*2x + 0.5x/2 = 1.25x, since 1.25x > x you # should
switch! But, is this explanation right?
#
# August 2008, Mario dos Reis

# Function to generate the envelopes and their money # r:
constant, so that x is the amount of money in one envelop and
r*x is the
#    amount of money in the second envelope
# rdist: a random distribution for the amount x # n: number
of envelope pairs to generate # ...: additional parameters
for the random distribution # The function returns a 2xn
matrix containing the (randomized) pairs # of envelopes
generateenv <- function (r, rdist, n, ...) {
  env <- matrix(0, ncol=2, nrow=n)
  env[,1] <- rdist(n, ...)  # first envelope has `x'
  env[,2] <- r*env[,1]      # second envelope has `r*x'

  # randomize de envelopes, so we don't know which one from
  # the pair has `x' or `r*x'
  i <- as.logical(rbinom(n, 1, 0.5))
  renv <- env
  renv[i,1] <- env[i,2]
  renv[i,2] <- env[i,1]

  return(renv)  # return the randomized envelopes }

# example, `x' follows an exponential distribution with E(x)
= 10 # we do one million simulations n=1e6) env <-
generateenv(r=2, rexp, n=1e6, rate=1/10)
mean(env[,1]) # you keep the randomly assigned first envelope
mean(env[,2]) # you always switch and keep the second

# example, `x' follows a gamma distributin, r=0.5 env <-
generateenv(r=.5, rgamma, n=1e6, shape=1, rate=1/20)
mean(env[,1]) # you keep the randomly assigned first envelope
mean(env[,2]) # you always switch and keep the second

# example, a positive 'normal' distribution # First write
your won function:
rposnorm <- function (n, ...)
{
  return(abs(rnorm(n, ...)))
}
env <- generateenv(r=2, rposnorm, n=1e6, mean=20, sd=10)
mean(env[,1]) # you keep the randomly assigned first envelope
mean(env[,2]) # you always switch and keep the second

# example, exponential approximated as an integer rintexp <-
function(n, ...) return (ceiling(rexp(n, ...))) # we use
ceiling as we don't want zeroes env <- generateenv(r=2,
rintexp, n=1e6, rate=1/10)
mean(env[,1]) # you keep the randomly assigned first envelope
mean(env[,2]) # you always switch and keep the second i10 <-
which(env[,1]==10)
mean(env[i10,1]) # Exactly 10
mean(env[i10,2]) # ~ 10.58 - 10.69 after several trials

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