Hi all,

Did the behavior of base t.test() subtly change with respect to the 
paired argument?

I think this code used to work with long form data, but now it seems not 
to  work:

     # Example long format data
     data_long <- data.frame(
       value = c(10, 12, 15, 8, 9, 11),
       time = factor(rep(c("before", "after"), each = 3))
     )

     t.test(value ~ time, data = data_long, paired = TRUE)

# Errorin t.test.formula(value ~ time, data = data_long, paired = TRUE) 
: # cannot use 'paired' in formula method

A quick Google seems to suggest that the above code should still work. 
What am I missing?

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Less sure about this one ...

Also, I thought it had always been possible to use x = "difference 
scores" in t.test(..., paired = TRUE) as long as y = NULL. My memory 
about this is less secure than the behavior above.

Control = c(10, 12, 15) Treat = c(8, 9, 11) data_wide <- data.frame( 
Control, Treat, Diff = Treat - Control) t.test(data_wide$Diff, NULL, 
"two.sided", 0, paired = FALSE) # works but y = NULL, mu = 0 mostly 
implies difference scores

t.test(data_wide$Diff, NULL, "two.sided", 0, paired = TRUE) # fails but 
if y = NULL the value of paired should not matter should it?

For y, help says "y an optional (non-empty) numeric vector of data 
values". I take this to imply that x = compared to a population mean 
hypothesis whenever y = NULL. Why should the value of paired influence 
the outcome?

Just bad memory  on my part?

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