Actually, the issue is that the left hand side of the model formula should be 
the name of the variable under consideration. If you write y ~ 1 there had 
better be a "y", but without the renaming you could also have used 
H_to_fit.Height ~ 1.

-pd


> On 10 Mar 2016, at 19:03 , John Hillier <j.hill...@lboro.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear Peter,
> 
> Thank you. Apolgies for not looking closer.  It is the end of a long day. 
> Fixed now, and I have learnt more about correctly interpreting R's manual 
> pages.
> 
> For the record .... 
> 
> Summary: If input to truncpareto() is not explicitly called 'y' it can 
> produce error messages about the values 'lower', which might be confusing.  
> So, ensure input is called 'y', and that 'lower' and 'upper' are just outside 
> the range of y.
> 
> John
> 
> -------------------------
> Dr John Hillier
> Senior Lecturer - Physical Geography
> Loughborough University
> 01509 223727
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: peter dalgaard <pda...@gmail.com>
> Sent: 10 March 2016 17:49
> To: John Hillier
> Cc: r-help@r-project.org
> Subject: Re: [R] truncpareto() - doesn't like my data and odd error message
> 
> Look closer....
> 
> -pd
> 
> 
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 18:41 , John Hillier <j.hill...@lboro.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Peter,
>> 
>> Yes, it seems to do the same even if I simultaneously make that change.  
>> Output below.
>> 
>>> pdataH <- data.frame(y = H_to_fit$Height)
>>> summary(pdataH)
>>      y
>> Min.   :2000
>> 1st Qu.:2281
>> Median :2666
>> Mean   :2825
>> 3rd Qu.:3212
>> Max.   :4794
>>> fit3 <- vglm(y ~ 1, truncpareto(1999, 4794), data = pdataH, trace = TRUE)
>> Error in eval(expr, envir, enclos) :
>> the value of argument 'upper' is too low (requires 'max(y) < upper')
>> 
>> -------------------------
>> Dr John Hillier
>> Senior Lecturer - Physical Geography
>> Loughborough University
>> 01509 223727
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: peter dalgaard <pda...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: 10 March 2016 09:36
>> To: John Hillier
>> Cc: r-help@r-project.org
>> Subject: Re: [R] truncpareto() - doesn't like my data and odd error message
>> 
>> Also if you simultaneously change the 2000 to say 1999?
>> 
>> -p
>> 
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 09:22 , John Hillier <j.hill...@lboro.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you Peter,
>>> 
>>> I believe this might be the way the error message is hard coded (i.e. it's 
>>> always y to describe the input).  Anyway, I changed the first line to
>>>> pdataH <- data.frame(y = H_to_fit$Height)
>>> This makes the input 'y' instead of 'H_to_fit.Height', but makes no 
>>> difference to the outcome/error message.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> -------------------------
>>> Dr John Hillier
>>> Senior Lecturer - Physical Geography
>>> Loughborough University
>>> 01509 223727
>>> 
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: peter dalgaard <pda...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: 09 March 2016 19:58
>>> To: John Hillier
>>> Cc: r-help@r-project.org
>>> Subject: Re: [R] truncpareto() - doesn't like my data and odd error message
>>> 
>>>> On 09 Mar 2016, at 18:52 , John Hillier <j.hill...@lboro.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am attempting to describe a distribution of height data.  It appears 
>>>> roughly linear on a log-log plot, so Pareto seems sensible.  However, the 
>>>> data are only reliable in a limited range (e.g. 2000 to 4800 m). So, I 
>>>> would like to fit a Pareto distribution to the reliable (i.e. truncated) 
>>>> section of the data.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I found truncpareto(), and implemented one of its example uses 
>>>> successfully.  Specifically, the third one at 
>>>> http://www.inside-r.org/packages/cran/vgam/docs/paretoff (also see p.s.).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> When I try to run my data, I get the output below. Inputs shown with 
>>>> chevrons.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> pdataH <- data.frame(H_to_fit$Height)
>>>>> summary(pdataH)
>>>> H_to_fit.Height
>>>> Min.   :2000
>>>> 1st Qu.:2281
>>>> 
>>>> Median :2666
>>>> Mean   :2825
>>>> 3rd Qu.:3212
>>>> Max.   :4794
>>>>> fit3 <- vglm(y ~ 1, truncpareto(2000, 4794), data = pdataH, trace = TRUE)
>>>> Error in eval(expr, envir, enclos) :
>>>> the value of argument 'lower' is too high (requires '0 < lower < min(y)')
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This is odd as the usage format is - truncpareto(lower, upper), and 
>>>> varying 2000 to 1900 and 2100 makes no difference. Neither do smaller or 
>>>> larger variations. From the summary I think that my lowest input is 2000, 
>>>> which I am taking as min(y). I have also played with the upper limit.  
>>>> pdataH has 2117 observations in it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Is this a data format thing? i.e. of pdataH (a tried a few things, but to 
>>>> no avail)
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Umm, it doesn't seem to have a column called "y"?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Peter Dalgaard, Professor,
>>> Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School
>>> Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark
>>> Phone: (+45)38153501
>>> Office: A 4.23
>>> Email: pd....@cbs.dk  Priv: pda...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Peter Dalgaard, Professor,
>> Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School
>> Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark
>> Phone: (+45)38153501
>> Office: A 4.23
>> Email: pd....@cbs.dk  Priv: pda...@gmail.com
>> 
> 
> --
> Peter Dalgaard, Professor,
> Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School
> Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark
> Phone: (+45)38153501
> Office: A 4.23
> Email: pd....@cbs.dk  Priv: pda...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Peter Dalgaard, Professor,
Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School
Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark
Phone: (+45)38153501
Office: A 4.23
Email: pd....@cbs.dk  Priv: pda...@gmail.com

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