Paul,

in addition to Peter's suggestion about the missing of theory you are also completely missing to explain what you mean by "[it] is not giving me the results for the calculations" or "[how] to get the results of the fisher test". They are there in the output of R's fisher.test() (if you have an idea about the theory).

And again:

fisher.test( Trapz, simulate.p.value = TRUE, B = 1e5)

specifies enough arguments in the case of simulating to approximate the p-value since workspace (quoting from the help page) is "Only used for ***non-simulated*** p-values [of] larger than 2 by 2 tables." (Similarly, control and hybrid are not needed either here.)

 Regards  --  Gerrit

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On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, paul brett wrote:

Hi Gerrit,
            I tried both of your suggestions and got the exact same thing.
Fisher's Exact Test for Count Data with simulated p-value (based on 1e+05
replicates)

data:  Trapz
p-value = 1e-05
alternative hypothesis: two.sided

I put in a few changes myself based on the details section on what should
be used for a larger than 2x2 table, getting the exact same thing as
before. I have removed or = 1, conf.int = TRUE. Added y = NULL, control =
list(30) and changed simulate.p.value = TRUE.
fisher.test( Trapz, y = NULL, workspace = 200000, hybrid = TRUE,control =
list(30), simulate.p.value = TRUE, B =1e5)
isher's Exact Test for Count Data with simulated p-value (based on 1e+05
replicates)

data:  Trapz
p-value = 1e-05
alternative hypothesis: two.sided

fisher.test( Trapz, y = NULL, workspace = 200000, hybrid = TRUE,control =
list(30), simulate.p.value = TRUE, B =1e7)

Fisher's Exact Test for Count Data with simulated p-value (based on 1e+07
replicates)

data:  Trapz
p-value = 1e-07
alternative hypothesis: two.sided


Dispite these chages, the changes equations is not giving me the results
for the calculations. The changes I have made seem to satisfy what is in
the details section on R, and I don't have the issue of workspace in R.
What I do to get the results of the fisher test?
Is there something simple that I am missing?

Regards,
            Paul

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Gerrit Eichner <
gerrit.eich...@math.uni-giessen.de> wrote:

Paul,

as the error messages of your first three attempts (see below) tell you -
in an admittedly rather cryptic way - your table or its sample size,
respectively, are too large, so that either the "largest (hash table) key"
is too large, or your (i.e., R's) workspace is too small, or your
hardware/os cannot allocate enough memory to calculate the p-value of
Fisher Exact Test exactly by means of the implemented algorithm.

One way out of this is to approximate the exact p-value through
simulation, but apparently there occurred a typo in your (last) attempt to
do that (Error: unexpected '>' in ">").


So, for me the following works (and it should also for you) and gives the
shown output (after a very short while):

Trapz <- as.matrix( read.table( "w.txt", head = T, row.names = "Traps"))


set.seed( 20150828)   # For the sake of reproducibility.
fisher.test( Trapz, simulate.p.value = TRUE,

+             B = 1e5)

   Fisher's Exact Test for Count Data with simulated p-value (based on
   1e+05 replicates)

data:  Trapz
p-value = 1e-05
alternative hypothesis: two.sided



Or for a higher value for B if you are patient enough (with a computing
time of several seconds) :

set.seed( 20150828)
fisher.test( Trapz, simulate.p.value=TRUE, B = 1e7)


   Fisher's Exact Test for Count Data with simulated p-value (based on
   1e+07 replicates)

data:  Trapz
p-value = 1e-07
alternative hypothesis: two.sided


 Hth  --  Gerrit

(BTW, you don't have to specify arguments (in function calls) whose
default values you don't want to change.)




On Fri, 28 Aug 2015, paul brett wrote:

Hi Gerrit,
            I spotted that, it was a mistake on my own part, it should
read 1.trap.2.barrier. I have corrected it on the file attached.

So I have done these so far:
fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 200000, hybrid = FALSE, control = list(),
or = 1, alternative = "two.sided", conf.int = TRUE, conf.level =
0.95,simulate.p.value = FALSE, B = 2000)
Error in fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 2e+05, hybrid = FALSE, control =
list(),  :
 FEXACT error 501.
The hash table key cannot be computed because the largest key
is larger than the largest representable int.
The algorithm cannot proceed.
Reduce the workspace size or use another algorithm.

fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 2000, hybrid = FALSE, control = list(), or

= 1, alternative = "two.sided", conf.int = TRUE, conf.level =
0.95,simulate.p.value = FALSE, B = 2000)
Error in fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 2000, hybrid = FALSE, control =
list(),  :
 FEXACT error 40.
Out of workspace.

fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 1e8, hybrid = FALSE, control = list(), or

= 1, alternative = "two.sided", conf.int = TRUE, conf.level =
0.95,simulate.p.value = FALSE, B = 2000)
Error in fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 1e+08, hybrid = FALSE, control =
list(),  :
 FEXACT error 501.
The hash table key cannot be computed because the largest key
is larger than the largest representable int.
The algorithm cannot proceed.
Reduce the workspace size or use another algorithm.

fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 2000000000, hybrid = FALSE, control =

list(), or = 1, alternative = "two.sided", conf.int = TRUE, conf.level =
0.95,simulate.p.value = FALSE, B = 2000)
Error: cannot allocate vector of size 7.5 Gb
In addition: Warning messages:
1: In fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 2e+09, hybrid = FALSE, control =
list(),  :
 Reached total allocation of 6027Mb: see help(memory.size)
2: In fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 2e+09, hybrid = FALSE, control =
list(),  :
 Reached total allocation of 6027Mb: see help(memory.size)
3: In fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 2e+09, hybrid = FALSE, control =
list(),  :
 Reached total allocation of 6027Mb: see help(memory.size)
4: In fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 2e+09, hybrid = FALSE, control =
list(),  :
 Reached total allocation of 6027Mb: see help(memory.size)

fisher.test(Trapz, workspace = 1e8, hybrid = FALSE, control = list(), or =
1, alternative = "two.sided", conf.int = TRUE, conf.level =
0.95,simulate.p.value = TRUE, B = 1e5)
Error: unexpected '>' in ">"

So the issue could be perhaps that R cannot compute my sample as the
workspace needed is too big? Is there a way around this? I think I have
everything set out correctly.
Is my only other alternative is to do a 2x2 fisher test for each of the
variables?

I attach on the pdf the Minitab result for the Chi squared test as proof
(I
know that getting very low p values are highly unlikely but sometimes it
happens). Seeing is believing i suppose!

Regards,
            Paul



On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Gerrit Eichner <
gerrit.eich...@math.uni-giessen.de> wrote:

Dear Paul,

quoting the email-footer: "PLEASE do read the posting guide
http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented,
minimal, self-contained, reproducible code."

So, what exactly did you try and what was the actual problem/error
message?

Besides that, have you noted that two of you data rows have the same
name?


Have you read the online help page of fisher.test():

 ?fisher.test


Have you tried anything like the following?

W <- as.matrix( read.table( "w.txt", head = T)[-1])

fisher.test( W, workspace = 1e8)
   # For workspace look at the help page, but it presumably
   # won't work because of your sample size.


set.seed( 20150828) # for reproducibility
fisher.test( W, simulate.p.value = TRUE, B = 1e5)
   # For B look at the help page.


Finally: Did Minitab really report "p > 0.001"? ;-)

 Hth  --  Gerrit


Dear all,

           I am trying to do a fishers test on a 5x4 table on R
statistics. I have already done a chi squared test using Minitab on this
data set, getting a result of (1, N = 165.953, DF 12, p>0.001), yet
using
these results (even though they are excellent) may not be suitable for
publication. I have tried numerous other statistical packages in the
hope
of doing this test, yet each one has just the 2x2 table.
           I am struggling to edit the template fishers test on R to fit
my table (as according to the R book it is possible, yet i cannot get it
to
work). The template given on the R documentation and R book is for a 2x2
fisher test. What do i need to change to get this to work? I have
attached
the data with the email so one can see what i am on about. Or do i have
to
write my own new code to compute this.

            Yours Sincerely,
                                    Paul Brett

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