Hi,

I was wondering if there is a way to figure out why in SAS random beta
coefficients are 0 vs. in R the beta-s are non zero.
The variables of the data are nidl, time, and sub (for subject). Time and
nidl are continuous variables. I am applying random coefficients model.
Any input is greatly appreciated, Thanks, Aldi

1. mixed model in SAS:
======================
ods output SolutionR = out1.randomnidltest2;
proc mixed data = a1 ;
  class sub ;
  model nidl = time /  solution  ;
  random int time /  sub = sub solution;
run;
ods output close;

2. mixed model in R:
====================
a1<-read.table(file="c:\\aldi\\a1.txt",sep=",",header=T)
library(nlme)
fm1nidl.lme<-lme(nidl~time,data=a1,random=~time | sub)
plot(coef(fm1nidl.lme))


3. SAS output:
==============
   Plot of nidl*time.  Symbol used is '*'.

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     ‚*          *      *
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     ‚*          *****
     ‚*          ** **
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     ‚*         *** **  *
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     ‚*         ****** *    *
     ‚*       * *******     *          *
   0 ˆ*       * ********   *
     -ˆ-----------ˆ------------ˆ------------ˆ
      0           25           50           75

                        time
NOTE: 684 obs hidden.
            Dimensions
Covariance Parameters             3
Columns in X                      2
Columns in Z Per Subject          2
Subjects                        425
Max Obs Per Subject               2
          Number of Observations
Number of Observations Read             763
Number of Observations Used             763
Number of Observations Not Used           0
 Covariance Parameter Estimates
Cov Parm      Subject    Estimate

Intercept     sub         17.1773
time          sub               0
Residual                  27.0023
The Mixed Procedure

           Fit Statistics

-2 Res Log Likelihood          5005.5
AIC (smaller is better)        5009.5
AICC (smaller is better)       5009.5
BIC (smaller is better)        5017.6


                   Solution for Fixed Effects

                         Standard
Effect       Estimate       Error      DF    t Value    Pr > |t|

Intercept      7.7608      0.3214     424      24.15      <.0001
time         -0.08148     0.01605     337      -5.08      <.0001


                      Solution for Random Effects

                                 Std Err
Effect       sub    Estimate        Pred      DF    t Value    Pr > |t|

Intercept      1      5.6722      3.2426       0       1.75       .
time           1           0           .       .        .         .
Intercept      2      3.6722      3.2426       0       1.13       .
time           2           0           .       .        .         .
Intercept      3     -2.0774      2.7539       0      -0.75       .
time           3           0           .       .        .         .

...      ...          ....                ...           ....    ...

R output:
    (Intercept)          time
1     17.432680 -0.3155496745
2     14.024527 -0.2345787274
3      3.105323  0.0469759240
4     23.047062 -0.5565796200
5     10.708267 -0.1557909941
... ... ...
> summary(fm1nidl.lme)
Linear mixed-effects model fit by REML
 Data: a1
      AIC      BIC    logLik
  4982.15 5009.958 -2485.075

Random effects:
 Formula: ~time | sub
 Structure: General positive-definite, Log-Cholesky parametrization
            StdDev    Corr
(Intercept) 6.0090637 (Intr)
time        0.1717771 -0.831
Residual    4.2885993

Fixed effects: nidl ~ time
                Value Std.Error  DF  t-value p-value
(Intercept)  7.779379 0.3582945 424 21.71225       0
time        -0.086206 0.0158615 337 -5.43494       0
 Correlation:
     (Intr)
time -0.675

Standardized Within-Group Residuals:
       Min         Q1        Med         Q3        Max
-2.0234047 -0.5132952 -0.2246854  0.4249250  3.5611259

Number of Observations: 763
Number of Groups: 425

3. data:
========
see the text file (comma delimited) attached.


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7.4124,0,399
13.2366,21,399
15.9727,0,400
5.8779,21,400
4.9204,0,401
4.4781,0,402
0,0,403
3.884,0,404
5.8386,0,405
12.1557,28,405
4.3119,0,406
17.7209,0,407
5.7033,23,407
5.9478,0,408
3.213,0,409
13.8083,0,410
0,0,411
2.5252,0,412
7.5144,0,413
1.4252,0,414
17.0363,0,415
14.4673,0,416
9.003,21,416
9.0533,0,417
5.1471,0,418
2.3873,21,418
4.2274,0,419
9.2259,0,420
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0,23,421
13.956,0,422
10.1587,0,423
11.4046,0,424
1.528,0,425
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