I am running version 2.15.2 64 bit version on 64 bit Windows 7. I have a data set with the following structure:
Fixed Effect: locationFact
Random Effects: datefact, timefact nested in datefact, interactions of datefact and timefact with locationFact
I fit the model with the latest version of lme4.

The formula is: Thick2 ~ locationFact + (1 | datefact) + (1 | datefact/timefact) + (1 | locationFact:datefact) + (1 | datefact/locationFact:timefact)

Other elements of  output object are:

Linear mixed model fit by REML

Random effects:
 Groups                                            Name Variance Std.Dev.
 locationFact:timefact:datefact  (Intercept)  34.614   5.8833
 timefact:datefact                        (Intercept)  96.795 9.8385
 locationFact:datefact                 (Intercept)  56.375   7.5083
datefact (Intercept) 20.341 4.5101 datefact (Intercept) 20.338 4.5098 datefact (Intercept) 20.340 4.5100
 Residual 447.252  21.1483
I tested this model using rmel with another software package and found that the datefact variance is the sum of the 3 datefact variance estimates above. Is there a way to specify the model so I do not get the 3 datefact estimates? The same applies to the datefact BLUPs. I have to add them to get the actual BLUP.

Thank you,

Roy Robertson

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