Hello R-help.
I believe I may be coding the offset incorrectly in my formula. I am
testing significance between different group pairings using the VGAM
package. My data are zero-truncated and poisson-distributed and
overdispersed, so I'm using the posnegbinomial function in vglm (code
below). I've spent a very long time working out this model and am pretty
sure it's the best for my data, but I have several examples of groups
with very similar means that come out significant. I'm looking at
differences in density between 2 data sources (see attached file), but
the plot size varies between the 2, so I am using plot "Area" as an
offset and running tests on "Stems". I've attached a sample where the
means for density are 26.4 vs. 25.2 with clearly overlapping error bars,
yet the test comes out significant. (A Wilcoxan test on density also
comes out significant.) Just to check, I did a t-test on density, which
was non-significant, and a t-test on Stems, which WAS significant. This
leads me to believe that my vglm model is not accounting for the area
offset (and thus density) and is just running the model straight on
"Stems". Here's the code:
vglm(Stems~Data + offset(log(Area)), family=posnegbinomial, data=...)
I've tried changing the family to "pospoisson" and it makes no
difference. I've also tried taking out the log part of the offset, just
to see what would happen, but couldn't get the model to run. I'm
currently working with R 2.14.1.
I'd love any ideas you may have on possible solutions.
Chris
--
Christopher R. Dolanc
Post-doctoral Researcher
University of Montana and UC-Davis
Data Plot Stems Area Density
FIA 8.87E+12 1 665.0103 15.03736
FIA 2.51E+13 2 672.45 29.74199
FIA 8.94E+12 3 619.9869 48.38812
FIA 2.38E+13 1 601.4576 16.62628
FIA 1.31E+13 2 634.6976 31.51107
FIA 2.30E+13 1 659.3915 15.1655
FIA 2.99E+13 2 634.6976 31.51107
FIA 2.40E+13 1 659.3915 15.1655
FIA 8.87E+12 1 665.0103 15.03736
FIA 2.40E+13 1 665.0103 15.03736
FIA 2.51E+13 1 666.8388 14.99613
FIA 2.30E+13 1 601.4576 16.62628
FIA 2.36E+13 1 599.0423 16.69331
FIA 8.94E+12 1 624.3542 16.01655
FIA 2.51E+13 2 672.45 29.74199
FIA 2.94E+13 1 659.3915 15.1655
FIA 2.51E+13 1 666.8388 14.99613
FIA 2.29E+13 1 661.8141 15.10998
FIA 2.51E+13 1 672.45 14.87099
FIA 2.38E+13 1 669.743 14.9311
FIA 2.99E+13 2 672.45 29.74199
FIA 2.42E+13 1 652.3723 15.32867
FIA 2.29E+13 1 634.6976 15.75554
FIA 2.30E+13 1 628.5952 15.90849
FIA 1.31E+13 3 671.2428 44.69321
FIA 2.36E+13 1 671.611 14.88957
FIA 8.94E+12 2 619.9869 32.25875
FIA 1.31E+13 1 634.6976 15.75554
FIA 2.37E+13 1 659.3915 15.1655
FIA 2.38E+13 1 601.4576 16.62628
FIA 2.38E+13 2 670.3084 29.83701
FIA 2.30E+13 1 669.1128 14.94516
FIA 2.37E+13 2 168.1125 118.96795
FIA 1.32E+13 3 644.0903 46.57732
FIA 2.99E+13 1 645.8406 15.4837
FIA 2.37E+13 1 649.2028 15.40351
FIA 2.94E+13 2 659.3915 30.331
FIA 2.30E+13 3 659.3915 45.49649
FIA 8.87E+12 1 669.1128 14.94516
FIA 2.42E+13 1 525.0952 19.04416
FIA 1.31E+13 3 589.2114 50.91551
FIA 8.94E+12 3 624.3542 48.04965
FIA 2.29E+13 1 613.2216 16.30732
FIA 2.43E+13 2 498.7577 40.09963
FIA 1.32E+13 2 659.3915 30.331
FIA 2.43E+13 1 550.8925 18.15236
FIA 1.31E+13 1 613.2216 16.30732
FIA 2.29E+13 1 634.6976 15.75554
FIA 2.37E+13 4 613.2216 65.22927
FIA 2.30E+13 3 661.8141 45.32995
FIA 2.43E+13 2 525.0952 38.08833
FIA 1.31E+13 1 512.3661 19.51729
FIA 8.89E+12 1 463.7586 21.56294
FIA 2.29E+13 1 634.6976 15.75554
FIA 2.50E+13 1 550.8925 18.15236
FIA 8.92E+12 1 672.45 14.87099
FIA 2.38E+13 1 669.1128 14.94516
FIA 1.31E+13 1 634.6976 15.75554
FIA 2.30E+13 4 659.3915 60.66199
FIA 2.40E+13 1 659.3915 15.1655
FIA 2.29E+13 1 667.66 14.97768
FIA 1.32E+13 4 576.6211 69.36964
FIA 2.38E+13 1 576.6211 17.34241
FIA 2.37E+13 1 487.5259 20.51173
FIA 2.43E+13 1 608.5832 16.43161
FIA 2.42E+13 1 525.0952 19.04416
FIA 2.29E+13 1 601.4576 16.62628
FIA 8.94E+12 1 634.6976 15.75554
FIA 1.31E+13 1 589.2114 16.97184
FIA 2.36E+13 1 634.6976 15.75554
FIA 8.94E+12 1 632.6997 15.80529
FIA 2.38E+13 2 589.2114 33.94368
FIA 8.94E+12 1 624.3542 16.01655
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