After one month of struggle, I lost confidence on Spotfire, it's totally not user-friendly. Yes it is very good for certain data presentation, but you still need do heavy lifting on data processing by other software. For me, R is the perfect tool and has best user supporting group. I send this email just for the statisticians like me, I don't think Spotfire can improve your efficiency.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Frank Harrell <f.harr...@vanderbilt.edu>wrote: > Thanks for your note Uwe. Yes I think a lot of the needed work was related > to implementing R functions that many of us use that are not available in > S-Plus, plus what to do about plotmath. It wasn't enough to just be able > to > load the R package. I don't think implementation of the needed R functions > in S-Plus ever happened. > > Frank > > > Uwe Ligges-3 wrote > > > > On 12.01.2012 17:38, Frank Harrell wrote: > >> As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a > >> capability > >> to load R packages into S-Plus. This always seemed to me to be a hard > >> thing > >> to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too > >> difficult > >> to do in S-Plus, at least for large packages such as mine. > > > > Frank, > > > > this dates back to the times of Insightful. They already did that and > > had a module that allowed to load R packages. Of course, they had to be > > S-PLUS compatible (which is not really easy any more if package authors > > made use of R functionality that exceed the features of S-PLUS). They > > even had hired people to make some R packages S-PLUS compatible, > > R2WinBUGS was just one example that was available from their "CSAN" > > repositories. (Nowadays R2WInBUGS is no longer S-PLUS compatible, since > > the authors do not care too much and do not have S-PLUS licenses to > > check it.) > > > > Best, > > Uwe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Frank > >> > >> Terry Therneau-2 wrote > >>> > >>> John, > >>> Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here > >>> with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach > >>> doesn't cut it for large data sets. When TIBCO wanted to expand the > >>> tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright > >>> decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than > >>> try to write dozens of new modules in house. The "Splus vs R" aspect > of > >>> the list responses misses the main point, however. > >>> > >>> Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly > >>> plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based > >>> version of the "pinch" metafor used on the iphone), etc. It is a > useful > >>> and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and > >>> early growth here was explosive. But if you already know R you can do > >>> those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower. I decided not to > >>> persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's > Windows > >>> based and I prefer Unix. Also most of my work is at the > >>> post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for > >>> that anyway. > >>> > >>> Terry Therneau > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________ > >>> R-help@ mailing list > >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > >>> PLEASE do read the posting guide > >>> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > >>> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > >>> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Frank Harrell > >> Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > >> > http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/general-question-on-Spotfire-tp4285758p4289575.html > >> Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> R-help@ mailing list > >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > >> PLEASE do read the posting guide > >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > > ______________________________________________ > > R-help@ mailing list > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > PLEASE do read the posting guide > > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > > > > ----- > Frank Harrell > Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University > -- > View this message in context: > http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/general-question-on-Spotfire-tp4285758p4297916.html > Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
