Hi All, I don't have a "I need help" question, so much as a query into any update whether 'R' has made any progress with some of the core functions retaining classes. As an example, because it's one of the cases that most egregiously impacts me & my work and keeps pushing me away from 'R' and into other numerical languages (such as NumPy in python), I will use sapply / lapply to demonstrate, but this behavior is ubiquitous throughout 'R'.
Let's say I have a class which is theoretically supported, but not one of the core "numeric" or "character" classes (and, to some degree, "factor" classes). Many of the basic functions will convert my desired class into either numeric or character, so that my returned answer is gibberish. E.g.: test= as.difftime(c(1, 1, 8, 0.25, 8, 1.25), units= "days") ## create a small array of time differences class(test) ## this will return the proper class, "difftime" class(test[1] ) ## this will also return the proper class, "difftime" sapply(test, class) ## this will return *numerics* for all of the classes. Ack!! In the example I give above, the impact might seem small, but the implications are *huge*. This means that I am, in effect, not allowed to use *any* of the vectoring functions in 'R', which avoid performing loops thereby speeding up process time extraordinarily. Many can sympathize that 'R' is ridiculously slow with "for" loops, compared to other languages. But that's theoretically OK, a good statistician or data analyst should be able to work comfortably with matrices and vectors. However, *'R' cannot work comfortably* with matrices or vectors, *unless* they are using the numeric or character classes. Many of the classes suffer the problem I just described, although I only used "difftime" in the example. Factors seem a bit more "comfortable", and can be handled most of the time, but not as well as numerics, and at times functions working on factors can return the numerical representation of the factor instead of the original factor. Is there any progress in guaranteeing that all core functions either (a) ideally return exactly the classes, and hierarchy of classes, that they received (e.g., a list of data frames with difftimes & dates & characters would return a list of data frames with difftimes & dates & characters), or (b) barring that, the function should at least error out with a clear error explaining that sapply, for example, cannot vectorize on the class being used? Returning incorrect answers is far worse than returning an error, from a perspective of stability. This is, by far, the largest Achilles' heel to 'R'. Personally, as my career advances and I work on more technical things, I am finding that I have to leave 'R' by the wayside and use other languages for robust numerical calculations and programming. This saddens me, because there are so many wonderful packages developed by the community. The example above came up because I am using the "forecast" library to great effect in predicting how long our product cycle time will be. However, I spend much of my time fighting all these class & typing bugs in 'R' (and we have to start recognizing that they are bugs, otherwise they may never get resolved), such that many of the improvements in my productivity due to all the wonderful computational packages are entirely offset by the time I spend fighting this issue of poor classes. Thanks & Regards! Mike --- XKCD <http://www.xkcd.com> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.