Would it be possible for Matthew (the original person) to tell us what he ended up with for his final talk, please?
Thanks, Erin On Jan 17, 2008 10:45 AM, Wittner, Ben, Ph.D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Several people have mentioned large, messy data sets. > I am curious as to in what way messy data sets are messy. > (I am also curious about what SAS does that helps one deal with them, but > perhaps that's asking too much.) > > Thanks. > -Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Behalf Of Paul Gilbert > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:39 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [R] things that are difficult/impossible to do in SAS or > > SPSSbut simple in R > > > > The argument for SAS (and Stata) when working with large dataset comes > > up fairly often. I have not had much experience in this area, but have > > been pleasantly surprised using R in combination with an SQL interface, > > in situations with modestly large, messy datasets. I certainly would > > appreciate comments on the relative merits from anyone that has more > > experience in this area. > > > > Paul Gilbert > > > > Walter Paczkowski wrote: > > > Good morning, > > > > > > I use SAS and R/S-Plus as my primary tools so I have a lot of experience > > with these programs. By far and away, SAS is superior for handling the > > "messy" datasets, but also the very large ones. I work at times with > > datasets in the hundreds of thousands (and on occasion, millions) of > > records. SAS, and especially PROC SQL, are invaluable for this. But once > > I get to datasets manageable for R/S-Plus, then I ship to these tools for > > the programming and graphics. This seems to work great. > > > > > > Walt Paczkowski > > > Data Analytics Corp. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > >>From: Rob Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>Sent: Jan 17, 2008 4:31 AM > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>Subject: Re: [R] things that are difficult/impossible to do in SAS or > > SPSSbut simple in R > > >> > > >> > > >>I wonder if those who complain about SAS as a programming environment > > have > > >>discovered SAS/IML which provides a programming environment akin to > > Matlab > > >>which is more than capable (at least for those problems which can be > > treated > > >>with a matrix like approach). As someone who uses both SAS and R - > > graphical > > >>output is so much easier in R, but for handling large 'messy' datasets > > SAS > > >>wins hands down... > > >>Cheers > > >>Rob > > >> > > >>*** Want to know about Britain's birds? 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