> I'd say a more serious problem would be using set.seed(.Random.seed) ...
Exactly, I'm pretty sure I also tried that at some point. This leads
to another thing I wanted to get to, which is to add support for
exactly that case. So, instead of having poke around with:
globalenv()$.Random.seed <- new_seed
where 'new_seed' is a valid ".Random.seed" seed, it would be
convenient to be able to do just set.seed(new_seed), which comes handy
in parallel processing.
/Henrik
On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 3:10 PM Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd say a more serious problem would be using set.seed(.Random.seed),
> because the first entry codes for RNGkind, it hardly varies at all. So
> this sequence could really mislead someone:
>
> > set.seed(.Random.seed)
> > sum(.Random.seed)
> [1] 24428993419
>
> # Use it to get a new .Random.seed value:
> > runif(1)
> [1] 0.3842704
>
> > sum(.Random.seed)
> [1] -13435151647
>
> # So let's make things really random, by using the new seed as a seed:
> > set.seed(.Random.seed)
> > sum(.Random.seed)
> [1] 24428993419
>
> # Back to the original!
>
> Duncan Murdoch
>
>
> On 17/09/2021 8:38 a.m., Henrik Bengtsson wrote:
> >> I’m curious, other than proper programming practice, why?
> >
> > Life's too short for troubleshooting silent mistakes - mine or others.
> >
> > While at it, searching the interwebs for use of set.seed(), gives
> > mistakes/misunderstandings like using set.seed(<double>), e.g.
> >
> >> set.seed(6.1); sum(.Random.seed)
> > [1] 73930104
> >> set.seed(6.2); sum(.Random.seed)
> > [1] 73930104
> >
> > which clearly is not what the user expected. There are also a few
> > cases of set.seed(<character>), e.g.
> >
> >> set.seed("42"); sum(.Random.seed)
> > [1] -2119381568
> >> set.seed(42); sum(.Random.seed)
> > [1] -2119381568
> >
> > which works just because as.numeric("42") is used.
> >
> > /Henrik
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 12:55 PM GILLIBERT, Andre
> > <andre.gillib...@chu-rouen.fr> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> A vector with a length >= 2 to set.seed would probably be a bug. An error
> >> message will help the user to fix his R code. The bug may be accidental or
> >> due to bad understanding of the set.seed function. For instance, a user
> >> may think that the whole state of the PRNG can be passed to set.seed.
> >>
> >> The "if" instruction, emits a warning when the condition has length >= 2,
> >> because it is often a bug. I would expect a warning or error with
> >> set.seed().
> >>
> >> Validating inputs and emitting errors early is a good practice.
> >>
> >> Just my 2 cents.
> >>
> >> Sincerely.
> >> Andre GILLIBERT
> >>
> >> -----Message d'origine-----
> >> De : R-devel [mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] De la part de Avraham
> >> Adler
> >> Envoyé : vendredi 17 septembre 2021 12:07
> >> À : Henrik Bengtsson
> >> Cc : R-devel
> >> Objet : Re: [Rd] WISH: set.seed(seed) to produce error if length(seed) !=
> >> 1 (now silent)
> >>
> >> Hi, Henrik.
> >>
> >> I’m curious, other than proper programming practice, why?
> >>
> >> Avi
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 11:48 AM Henrik Bengtsson <
> >> henrik.bengts...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> according to help("set.seed"), argument 'seed' to set.seed() should be:
> >>>
> >>> a single value, interpreted as an integer, or NULL (see ‘Details’).
> >>>
> >>> From code inspection (src/main/RNG.c) and testing, it turns out that
> >>> if you pass a 'seed' with length greater than one, it silently uses
> >>> seed[1], e.g.
> >>>
> >>>> set.seed(1); sum(.Random.seed)
> >>> [1] 4070365163
> >>>> set.seed(1:3); sum(.Random.seed)
> >>> [1] 4070365163
> >>>> set.seed(1:100); sum(.Random.seed)
> >>> [1] 4070365163
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to suggest that set.seed() produces an error if length(seed)
> >>>> 1. As a reference, for length(seed) == 0, we get:
> >>>
> >>>> set.seed(integer(0))
> >>> Error in set.seed(integer(0)) : supplied seed is not a valid integer
> >>>
> >>> /Henrik
> >>>
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