On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Hadley Wickham <h.wick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This might be too big a change - but is it worth reconsidering the
> behaviour of Rscript? Maybe the simplest fix would be simply to always
> load the methods package. (I think historically it didn't because
> loading methods took a long time, but that is no longer true)
Slightly weaker version of this wish (that would also remove
confusion): At least make R and Rscript load the same set of packages
by default.
More clarification (in case some is new to this topic):
The packages loaded by default when R and Rscript is loaded can be
controlled by environment variable 'R_DEFAULT_PACKAGES' and/or option
'defaultPackages', cf. help("Startup"). When this is empty or
undefined, the built-in defaults kick in, and it's these built-in
defaults that differ between the R and the Rscript executable:
$ R --quiet --vanilla -e "getOption('defaultPackages')"
> getOption('defaultPackages')
[1] "datasets" "utils" "grDevices" "graphics" "stats" "methods"
$ Rscript --vanilla -e "getOption('defaultPackages')"
[1] "datasets" "utils" "grDevices" "graphics" "stats"
Thus, a user can enforce the same set of default packages by using:
$ export R_DEFAULT_PACKAGES=datasets,utils,grDevices,graphics,stats,methods
$ R --quiet --vanilla -e "getOption('defaultPackages')"
> getOption('defaultPackages')
[1] "datasets" "utils" "grDevices" "graphics" "stats" "methods"
$ Rscript --vanilla -e "getOption('defaultPackages')"
[1] "datasets" "utils" "grDevices" "graphics" "stats" "methods"
/Henrik
>
> Hadley
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Gabriel Becker <gmbec...@ucdavis.edu> wrote:
> > Does it make sense to be able to load an S4 object without the methods
> > package being attached? I'm not sure implementation-wise how easy this
> > would be, but it seems like any time there is an S4 object around, the
> > methods package should be available to deal with it.
> >
> > ~G
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Michael Lawrence <lawrence.mich...@gene.com
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Right, R_has_methods_attached() uses that. Probably not the right
> >> check, since it refers to S4 dispatch, while S4_extends() is used by
> >> S3 dispatch.
> >>
> >> Perhaps S4_extends() should force load the methods package? The above
> >> example works after fixing the check to ensure that R_MethodsNamespace
> >> is not R_GlobalEnv, but one could load a serialized S4 object and
> >> expect S3 dispatch to work with Rscript.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Gabriel Becker <gmbec...@ucdavis.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >> > See also .isMethodsDispatchOn, which is what trace uses to decide if the
> >> > methods package needs to be loaded.
> >> >
> >> > ~G
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:34 AM, Michael Lawrence
> >> > <lawrence.mich...@gene.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Not sure why R_has_methods_attached() exists. Maybe Martin could shed
> >> >> some light on that.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Kirill Müller
> >> >> <kirill.muel...@ivt.baug.ethz.ch> wrote:
> >> >> > Thanks for looking into it, your approach sounds good to me. See also
> >> >> > R_has_methods_attached()
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (
> >> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/42ecf5f492a005f5398cbb4c9becd4aa5af9d05c/src/main/objects.c#L258-L265
> >> ).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm fine with Rscript not loading "methods", as long as everything
> >> works
> >> >> > properly with "methods" loaded but not attached.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Kirill
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 19.04.2016 04:10, Michael Lawrence wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Right, the methods package is not attached by default when running R
> >> >> >> with Rscript. We should probably remove that special case, as it
> >> >> >> mostly just leads to confusion, but that won't happen immediately.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> For now, the S4_extends() should probably throw an error when the
> >> >> >> methods namespace is not loaded. And the check should be changed to
> >> >> >> directly check whether R_MethodsNamespace has been set to something
> >> >> >> other than the default (R_GlobalEnv). Agreed?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Kirill Müller
> >> >> >> <kirill.muel...@ivt.baug.ethz.ch> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Scenario: An S3 method is declared for an S4 base class but called
> >> for
> >> >> >>> an
> >> >> >>> instance of a derived class.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Steps to reproduce:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> Rscript -e "test <- function(x) UseMethod('test', x); test.Matrix
> >> <-
> >> >> >>>> function(x) 'Hi'; MatrixDispatchTest::test(Matrix::Matrix())"
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Error in UseMethod("test", x) :
> >> >> >>> no applicable method for 'test' applied to an object of class
> >> >> >>> "lsyMatrix"
> >> >> >>> Calls: <Anonymous>
> >> >> >>> 1: MatrixDispatchTest::test(Matrix::Matrix())
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> Rscript -e "extends <- 42; test <- function(x) UseMethod('test',
> >> x);
> >> >> >>>> test.Matrix <- function(x) 'Hi';
> >> >> >>>> MatrixDispatchTest::test(Matrix::Matrix())"
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> [1] "Hi"
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> To me, it looks like a sanity check in line 655 of src/main/attrib.c
> >> >> >>> is
> >> >> >>> making wrong assumptions, but there might be other reasons.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> (
> >> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/780021752eb83a71e2198019acf069ba8741103b/src/main/attrib.c#L655-L656
> >> )
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Same behavior in R 3.2.4, R 3.2.5 and R-devel r70420.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Best regards
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Kirill
> >> >> >>>
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> >> > Gabriel Becker, PhD
> >> > Associate Scientist (Bioinformatics)
> >> > Genentech Research
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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