Hi Simon

Thanks for the clarification - makes sense and I now think youre right - 
probably better to avoid an automatic factor conversion and let the user 
explicitly convert if necessary. And you are right, I did abuse the term factor 
when referring to varchar - instead of factor, I really meant something like 
'internalized strings' a la Java (ie like a factor but with no ordering or 
distinct levels attributes.

Many thanks
-- Rory


On 27/12/2012, at 5:47 PM, Simon Urbanek <simon.urba...@r-project.org> wrote:

> varchars are character strings. Factors consists of index and level set, so 
> if your DB doesn't keep those separate, it is not a factor (and below you 
> suggest it doesn't). Even if the DB supports ordered and unordered sets, the 
> drivers typically only return the strings anyway, so you don't get at the set 
> (without querying the schema). To make a point - a factor is if you can have 
> a column consisting of values A,A,B,B and a level set of A,B,C (i.e. C is not 
> used so it is extra information that you cannot express in a character 
> string). if you don't have levels information nor the order then it's just a 
> character vector.


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