Can you elaborate on this a bit please? Or point at some manual that could 
help get started with th topic? While the concept sounds familiar I don't 
have enough experience to build a secure boot environment from scratch - 
and that's what needs to be done in case of Qubes.

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 9:16:54 AM UTC+2, [email protected] 
wrote:
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> On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 06:21:00AM +0000, lamboicarus via qubes-users 
> wrote: 
> > I am wondering if anyone knows how I might install grub for use with 
> > an encrypted boot partition, or no boot partition at all. I have 
> > recently decided to use btrfs, and I have grub working fine. The 
> > grub2-efi config from the qubes-dom0-unstable repo is working fine, 
> > but it's very complex. Reading about grub on the arch-wiki, it says 
>
> boot security is a very complex topic. 
>
> just encrypting your /boot but keeping an unencrypted grub 
> around that opens that /boot is not increasing your security 
> in any meaningful way. it just adds a pile of fragility. 
>
> for actual cryptographic boot security, you need a "verified" 
> and/or "measured" boot setup. 
>
> since you mentioned "efi", i would recommend an efi-heads hybrid. 
> deploy a linux kernel with _internal_ initrd (!) as efi-verified 
> boot payload. this way you have to do the efi-signing "just once", 
> and from that linux kernel you can open your encrypted /boot 
> in the "natural linux ways". 
>
> if your "bios" takes measurements during boot, do tpmtotp (or similar) 
> from the first stage linux (before unlocking your /boot) you dont even 
> have to do any modifications to the payloads inside /boot ... 
> so no resigning/resealing on every payload-xen/kernel update either! 
>
> this setup does not involve grub at all. this is intentional. 
>
>
>
>

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