First, a thirty-second refresher, so we're all using the same terminology:

   A *parameter* is a declared input variable to a function.
   An *argument* is a value passed into a function.  (*Arguments* are
   stored in *parameters.*)

   So in the example "def foo(clonk): pass; foo(3)", clonk is a
   parameter, and 3 is an argument. ++


Keyword-only arguments were conceived of as being unordered. They're stored in a dictionary--by convention called **kwargs--and dictionaries didn't preserve order.  But knowing the order of arguments is occasionally very useful.  PEP 468 proposed that Python preserve the order of keyword-only arguments in kwargs.  This became easy with the order-preserving dictionaries added to Python 3.6.  I don't recall the order of events, but in the end PEP 468 was accepted, and as of 3.6 Python guarantees order in **kwargs.

But that's arguments.  What about parameters?

Although this isn't as directly impactful, the order of keyword-only parameters *is* visible to the programmer.  The best way to see a function's parameters is with inspect.signature, although there's also the deprecated inspect.getfullargspec; in CPython you can also directly examine fn.__code__.co_varnames.  Two of these methods present their data in a way that preserves order for all parameters, including keyword-only parameters--and the third one is deprecated.

Python must (and does) guarantee the order of positional and positional-or-keyword parameters, because it uses position to map arguments to parameters when the function is called.  But conceptually this isn't necessary for keyword-only parameters because their position is irrelevant.  I only see one place in the language & library that addresses the ordering of keyword-only parameters, by way of omission.  The PEP for inspect.signature (PEP 362) says that when comparing two signatures for equality, their positional and positional-or-keyword parameters must be in the same order.  It makes a point of *not* requiring that the two functions' keyword-only parameters be in the same order.

For every currently supported version of Python 3, inspect.signature and fn.__code__.co_varnames preserve the order of keyword-only parameters.  This isn't surprising; it's basically the same code path implementing those as the two types of positional-relevant parameters, so the most straightforward implementation would naturally preserve their order.  It's just not guaranteed.

I'd like inspect.signature to guarantee that the order of keyword-only parameters always matches the order they were declared in.  Technically this isn't a language feature, it's a library feature.  But making this guarantee would require that CPython internally cooperate, so it's kind of a language feature too.

Does this sound reasonable?  Would it need a PEP?  I'm hoping for "yes" and "no", respectively.


Three final notes:

 * Yes, I do have a use case.  I'm using inspect.signature metadata to
   mechanically map arguments from an external domain (command-line
   arguments) to a Python function.  Relying on the declaration order
   of keyword-only parameters would elegantly solve one small problem.
 * I asked Armin Rigo about PyPy's support for Python 3.  He said it
   should already maintain the order of keyword-only parameters, and if
   I ever catch it not maintaining them in order I should file a bug. 
   I assert that making this guarantee would be nearly zero effort for
   any Python implementation--I bet they all already behave this way,
   all they need is a test case and some documentation.
 * One can extend this concept to functools.partial and
   inspect.Signature.bind: should its transformations of keyword-only
   parameters also maintain order in a consistent way?  I suspect the
   answer there is much the same--there's an obvious way it should
   behave, it almost certainly already behaves that way, but it doesn't
   guarantee it.  I don't think I need this for my use case.



//arry/

++ Yes, that means "Argument Clinic" should really have been called "Parameter Clinic".  But the "Parameter Clinic" sketch is nowhere near as funny.
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