On 19 September 2015 at 06:49, Terry Reedy <tjre...@udel.edu> wrote:
> On 9/19/2015 1:24 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>>
>> Barry Warsaw writes:
>>
>>   > One thing that came up in a similar discussion is pip, and the
>>   > suggested move to `python -m pip`, which makes a lot of sense.
>>   > However, *inside* a virtualenv, there's no ambiguity about the
>>   > Python version associated with direct `pip` invocation, so it still
>>   > makes sense to install that there.
>>
>> And then the poor newbie who's just following orders (eg, in
>> mailman3/src/mailman/docs/INSTALL<wink/>) will try pip'ing outside of
>> the virtualenv for some reason, and have a WTF experience.  I think we
>> should KISS the pip command good-bye.
>>
>> A somewhat different way I look at it: the OS provides a shell, and
>> you invoke aptitude (CLI) or synaptic (from clickety-clickety GUI
>> shell) from that OS shell to manage OS packages.  By analogy (always
>> slippery but this one feels good to me), to manage python packages you
>> should be working in the Python "shell".
>
>
> It is somewhat possible to do this by importing pip.main and translating pip
> command line calls to main() calls. I reported proof-of-concept experiments
> on issue 23551. To be practical, this should be wrapped in a tkinter gui.
> Once written, I will add it to the Idle menu.  Other gui shells, could and
> probably would do the same.

I've raised https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/3121 as a starting
point for discussion on how pip could support a high-level Python API
(i.e. make pip.main a bit less "you're on your own"). I don't have any
plans right now to work on it, but it provides somewhere to centralise
any discussion (and of course, if anyone *else* feels like
contributing patches, that'd be great too ;-))

Paul
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