On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Ronald Oussoren <ronaldousso...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> On 27 Feb, 2013, at 10:06, Maciej Fijalkowski <fij...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Ronald Oussoren <ronaldousso...@mac.com> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 26 Feb, 2013, at 16:13, Maciej Fijalkowski <fij...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to discuss on the language summit a potential inclusion
>>>> of cffi[1] into stdlib.
>>>
>>> The API in general looks nice, but I do have some concens w.r.t. including 
>>> cffi in the stdlib.
>>>
>>> 1. Why is cffi completely separate from ctypes, instead of layered on top 
>>> of it? That is, add a utility module to ctypes that can parse C 
>>> declarations and generate the right ctypes definitions.
>>
>> Because ctypes API is a mess and magic. We needed a cleaner (and much
>> smaller) model.
>
> The major advantages of starting over is probably that you can hide the 
> complexity and that opens opportunities for optimizations. That said, I'm not 
> convinced that ctypes is unnecessarily complex.

cffi actually does have a ctypes backend in addition to the ffi and
"compile a CPython extension" backends. But the ctypes backend is
guaranteed to be slow and messy because it is ctypes.
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