On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Simon de Vlieger <si...@ikanobori.jp> wrote: > On 24 July 2010 01:39, Mark Lawrence <breamore...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> On 24/07/2010 00:09, Paul Moore wrote: >>> >>> On 23 July 2010 23:26, Mark Lawrence<breamore...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there any money to pay for the forthcoming 10th birthday party for >>>> this >>>> issue? Is the OP still alive? >>> >>> I'm not sure the sarcasm helps much. What do you suggest should be >>> done with the request? Nobody has provided a patch, so there's nothing >>> to commit. Closing it as "won't fix" seems unreasonable, as I imagine >>> that should a suitable patch be supplied, it would be accepted. >>> >>> There's no magical means by which such a patch would appear, though. >>> The OP clearly[1] is either not interested enough or doesn't have the >>> skills to provide a patch, and no-one else has stepped up to do so. >>> >>> Note that it's been classified as a feature request, not a bug. So >>> there's nothing wrong, as such, with it remaining unresolved. >>> >>> Paul. >>> >>> [1] I say "clearly" - it may be that he could provide a patch if >>> asked. Maybe it would be worth you contacting him to ask if the issue >>> is still a problem for him, and whether he can assist in resolving it. >> >> Paul, >> >> I'm on the verge of giving up my time because the whole system is a complete >> and utter waste of my time. I feel quite happy that in my brief tenure I've >> closed 46 issues, but there's so many more that could have been closed, but >> yet again you don't even get the courtesy of a response when there's more in >> the pipeline that could be closed. I'd quote the issue numbers here and >> now, but I'm just too flaming tired to do so, though a quick count indicates >> I've got 23 ongoing that I'm attempting to sort. >> >> As it happens, I have been having discussions offline in an attempt to shift >> the culture of Python development but I don't believe that anything will >> come out of it. Let's face it, development is much more interesting than >> bug fixes. And once again, if some stupid idiot volunteer bothers to put in >> a patch to the code and/or the unit test, and it sits and rots for five >> years, is that person likely to come back to Python? Strangely, some do. >> >> Sorry, I'm off to bed. >> >> Yours feeling most disillusioned with python-dev. >> >> Mark Lawrence. > > Mark, > > when I read your emails it seems to me as if you have the greatest > concern with improving Python, the language and improving the state of > the bug tracker. > > This is a great thing, people like you are much needed. However, I do > seem to notice you try to take a business-like approach here on this > mailinglist. Most people on python-dev are volunteers who (like you) > spend their free time helping and working on Python. > > People who work in their free time are less likely to feel obliged to > respond immediately to an issue. They are also less likely to keep > paying attention to the bugs they were assigned. > > I think a person like you is needed, someone who weeds through the > rotting bug reports (not the feature requests) and tries to follow up > on them. Is the issue persistent for the user, has it been fixed as > collateral on another fix, etcetera. > > However, I think you would get more done if you switched from a > business philosophy to accepting that most people here are volunteers, > don't try to pressure volunteers. Try to do the best *you* can within > the community and let that help the project further. > > Oh, and with business philosophy I mean: mails like the one you start > this thread with are interpreted by me as being very pushy, overly > sarcastic and if my project manager at the office sends me an email > like that I know I have to do it right now. I would dislike to be > spoken to like this in an voluntary environment. Do note that I do > understand where your feelings come from. > > Regards, > > Simon de Vlieger > > P.S. a feature day sounds like a great idea!
I don't care if he yells and rants and raves, he's a volunteer too, he does a ton of work that nobody else has stepped up to do, and IMO we're very lucky to have him doing it. Geremy Condra _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
