I wasn't calling Python 3 a turd. I was trying to show the strangeness of the logic behind your rationalization. And failing badly... (maybe I should have used "tar ball"?)
What I'm suggesting is that extreme caution be exercised from this point forward with all things 3.X-related. Whether you wish to accept this or not, 3.X has a negative image to many. This suggestion specifically includes not abandoning current 3.X email package users as a case in point. Ripping the rug out from new 3.X users after they took the time to port seems like it may be just enough to tip the scales altogether. --Mark Lutz (http://learning-python.com, http://rmi.net/~lutz) > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Foord <fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk> > To: l...@rmi.net > Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] email package status in 3.X > Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:27:46 +0100 > > On 18/06/2010 18:22, l...@rmi.net wrote: > >> Python 3.0 was *declared* to be an experimental release, and by most > >> standards 3.1 (in terms of the core language and functionality) was a > >> solid release. > >> > >> Any reasonable expectation about Python 3 adoption predicted that it > >> would take years, and would include going through a phase of difficulty > >> and disappointment... > >> > > Declaring something to be a turd doesn't change the fact that > > it's a turd. > > Right - but *you're* the one calling it a turd, which is not a helpful > approach or likely to achieve *anything* useful. I still have no idea > what you are actually suggesting. > > > I have a feeling that most people outside this > > list would have much rather avoided the difficulty and > > disappointment altogether. > > > > Let's be honest here; 3.X was released to the community in part > > as an extended beta. > > Correction - 3.0 was an experimental release. That is not true of 3.1 > and future releases. > > All the best, > > Michael > > That's not a problem, unless you drop the > > word "beta". And if you're still not buying that, imagine the sort > > of response you'd get if you tried to sell software that billed > > itself as "experimental", and promised a phase of "disappointment". > > Why would you expect the Python world to react any differently? > > > > > >> Whilst I agree that there are plenty of issues to workon, and I don't > >> underestimate the difficulty of some of them, I think "half-baked" is > >> very much overblown. Whilst you have a lot to say about how much of a > >> problem this is I don't understand what you are suggesting be *done*? > >> > > I agree that 3.X isn't all bad, and I very much hope it succeeds. And > > no, I have no answers; I'm just reporting the perception from downwind. > > > > So here it is: The prevailing view is that 3.X developers hoisted things > > on users that they did not fully work through themselves. Unicode is > > prime among these: for all the talk here about how 2.X was broken in > > this regard, the implications of the 3.X string solution remain to be > > fully resolved in the 3.X standard library to this day. What is a > > common Python user to make of that? > > > > --Mark Lutz (http://learning-python.com, http://rmi.net/~lutz) > > > > > > > > > -- > http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/blog > > READ CAREFULLY. By accepting and reading this email you agree, on behalf of > your employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from > any and all NON-NEGOTIATED agreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, > clickwrap, browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and > acceptable use policies (”BOGUS AGREEMENTS”) that I have entered into with > your employer, its partners, licensors, agents and assigns, in perpetuity, > without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You further represent > that you have the authority to release me from any BOGUS AGREEMENTS on behalf > of your employer. > > > _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
