-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 29, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> I think that it probably is desirable to to put that deadline pressure > on. Individuals who rush to get their work in, and cause alpha-to- > alpha regressions, can be advised to wait in the future in similar > circumstances. Once the rhythm is established, people can expect that > alphas will be consistently increasing in features and consistently > decreasing in defects. If that's not true, something's wrong with the > process, and the team needs to step back and do something about it. I agree, and what I already think is broken about our process is that changes can land that break the buildbots. Ideally, this should never happen, but our build/test environment has two flaws. First, it's retroactive not proactive. Second, the tests themselves are not always stable. Given the wide range of platforms and the volunteer nature of the buildbot farm, I don't think there's much right now that we can do about the second point. We can do things to mitigate it though, such as take a majority-success approach, or give more weight to more stable platforms and buildbots. The second one is tougher because more work on the process is necessary, and it would change our workflow for committing changes to the tree. Even with its faults, I'm a big fan of PQM <https://launchpad.net/pqm > though that's not something I think we're ready for. The bigger question though is whether we as a development community would change the way we work so that nothing lands if it doesn't pass all the tests. We'd be trading some inconvenience (and administrative headaches) for better overall quality and always-releasable guarantees. - -Barry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBR8heD3EjvBPtnXfVAQIj/gP/dyf1oavy7y4gTrKHi+j/m+0y4DJstIDf Fh2MhqExWtCX6V8M3mOn46uRwStwtz9+TUEznNEC8xsxq734GtVyi9Vw6cLpmZQ6 uQp+IBT+nkqNz3sDd8N/ewAGPBO5Ml2m+yn+rfi2XaT5Vfi5akSR/aDwJKGC71fL 8IaWHo5XKEM= =JQMb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
