> On 9 Dec 2020, at 19:59, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote: > > A general wish not to disadvantage those with older hardware any more than > they already are? > > Just a shot in the dark. > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:17 PM Gregory P. Smith <g...@krypto.org> wrote: > > > As a meta question: Is there a good reason to support binaries running on > macOS earlier than ~ $latest_version-1? > > Aren't systems running those old releases rather than upgrading unsupported > by Apple, never to be patched, and thus not wise to even have on a network? > > Yes, that means some very old hardware becomes useless as Apple drops > support. But that is what people signed up for when they bought it. Why > should that be our problem? > > (It sounds like y'all will make it work, that's great! I'm really just > wondering where the motivation comes from) > > -gps > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, 9:25 AM Gregory Szorc <gregory.sz...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:13 AM Ronald Oussoren <ronaldousso...@mac.com> wrote: > > >> On 8 Dec 2020, at 19:59, Gregory Szorc <gregory.sz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Regarding the 3.8.7rc1 release, I wanted to raise some issues regarding >> macOS. >> >> Without the changes from https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/22855 >> backported, attempting to build a portable binary on macOS 11 (e.g. by >> setting `MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.9`) results in a myriad of `warning: >> 'XXX' is only available on macOS 10.13 or newer >> [-Wunguarded-availability-new]` warnings during the build. This warning >> could be innocuous if there is run-time probing in place (the symbols in >> question are weakly linked, which is good). But if I'm reading the code >> correctly, run-time probing was introduced by commits like eee543722 and >> isn't present in 3.8.7rc1. >> >> I don't have a machine with older macOS sitting around to test, but I'm >> fairly certain the lack of these patches means binaries built on macOS 11 >> will blow up at run-time when run on older macOS versions. >> >> These same patches also taught CPython to build and run properly on Apple >> ARM hardware. I suspect some people will care about these being backported >> to 3.8. >> > We know. Backporting the relevant changes to 3.8 is taking more time than I > had hoped. It doesn’t help that I’ve been busy at work and don’t have as much > energy during the weekend as I’d like. > > The backport to 3.9 was fairly easy because there were few changes between > master and the 3.9 branch at the time. Sadly there have been conflicting > changes since 3.8 was forked (in particular in posixmodule.c). > > The current best practice for building binaries that work on macOS 10.9 is to > build on that release (or rather, with that SDK). That doesn’t help if you > want to build Universal 2 binaries though. > > Thank you for your hard work devising the patches and working to backport > them. > > I personally care a lot about these patches and I have the technical > competency to perform the backport. If you need help, I could potentially > find time to hack on it. Just email me privately (or ping @indygreg on > GitHub) and let me know. Even if they don't get into 3.8.7, I'll likely > cherry pick the patches for > https://github.com/indygreg/python-build-standalone. And I'm sure other > downstream packagers will want them as well. So having them in an unreleased > 3.8 branch is better than not having them at all. > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/5AWFX2POTPNVW72VUPCPTJIOA6AOSVWY/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/Q45VNQYOYXTRRTA26Q4M2WNXPFKL4S2O/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/7ZSZVIVUVM35GELRKGXWAJ3HLYU6G6OJ/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a group of people that won’t ever upgrade to 10.15+ for variety of reasons (including loss of 32-bit application support) so there’s also that. Jakub _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/KPW5LQKKVXXQYIG4HNYQZSXJQMI32UDW/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
