* Present:
* Sidebar max width (Jan-Marek)
+ The side bar currently has a maximum size limit
+ We would need more size to implement the WollMux form editor as a
LibreOffice sidebar
- On normal monitor, this means about 30-50%
+ Probably LO will get bug reports, if the sidebar is as large as the
window and people can't edit?
- Currently the side bar just collapses, if the whole Window get's
smaller then the bar
- You can already hide the whole edit window
- It already decollapses, if the window becomes larger then the sidebar
width again
+ 1. Idea:
- increase the maximum limit
+ 2. Idea:
- set a minimal size for the edit window and let the sidebar freely use
the rest
- already collapses the side bar, when the minimum is reached
- preferred solution for us (Jan-Marek)
+ so only the maximal size, but not changing the default, right? (Kendy)
+ yes, the max size is the concern, currently the default is the
minimum where widgets fit (Jan-Marek)
+ 2-3 bug reports currently open (Jay)
+ involved minimal and maximal size (Jay)
+ extending over the current max size does not give much additional
value (Jay)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92317
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83526
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91915
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90374
+ the user can already change the size of the side bar (Jan-Marek)
+ wanted to have fixed size for the sidebar (Jay)
+ the area is not utilized when too big (Jay)
+ sidebar not completely finished yet (Stuart)
+ the thing is - the sidebar wouldn't be bigger when the wolmux
extension is not installed (Stuart)
+ when the user opens the document, gets an additional window (Jan-Marek)
+ formula edit entry in the extension (Jan-Marek)
+ like a kind of PDF editing, additional checking etc. (Jan-Marek)
+ but more stuff too - choosing documents etc. (Jan-Marek)
+ API in place for many things in the sidebar now (Stuart)
+ when we don't change the default, ie. it the sidebar gets bigger only
when the extension
is installed, that's fine for me (Kendy)
+ defined by the extension itself sounds fine to me too through api
(Jay)
+ why don't you use dialog instead? (Heiko)
+ we actually discussed something similar previously - that the sidebar
might be useful for
functionality that we currenly have in non-modal dialogs (Kendy)
+ sidebar easy to abuse, be careful (Heiko)
+ the users want to see both the document and the functionality
(Jan-Marek)
+ why that should be the an abuse, actually? (Jan-Marek)
+ the main functionality should not be in the sidebar (Heiko)
+ adds complexity to the sidebar, question of modality (Jan-Marek)
+ duplication is not a problem, no dialog planned (Jan-Marek)
+ in general, let's give freedom to the extension developers (Kendy)
+ we just need to make sure any random extension does not take over the
entire LO :-) (Kendy)
AI: + put together few screenshots to explain the needs a bit better
(Jan-Marek)
* Impress Default font (suggested by Németh László)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97577
+ Switch to "Source Sans Pro" with fallback to "Liberation Sans"
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/22124/
+ what is the reasoning for the change? (Kendy)
+ described in the bug...
+ changing the default might be critical, if the default isn't saved to
the document (Jan-Marek)
+ Old problem was change of line color default in Writer from black
to blue
=> all lines changed from black to blue
+ do we bundle the Source Sans Pro? (Kendy)
+ we do
+ I don't agree with the change (Kendy)
+ if at all, it should be done in the default template, not in the
VCL.xcu (Kendy)
+ and - as a default, we need something metrically compatible with
'usual' fonts (Kendy)
+ whatever font, its Unicode codepoint coverage in the SEP (think
Emoji's) becomes an issue (Stuart)
* Draw-related survey (Heiko)
+ might be interesting to have a survey about what the users actually use
Draw for (Tomaž)
+ Heiko will have a look / think this through
+
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W6aIpZhQo7j33f8W3p_nXLAd6tamwjtUxZFx77jArcU/edit
+ Will prepare a draft about the request to participate on the blog,
create the survey and share all
on the mailing list to get more opinions (Heiko)
+ people want better flow-chart support (Heiko)
+ and vector drawing tool
+ and other...
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