I forget why I was prompted to look at MTA-STS.  But checking email
with MTA-STS in the subject on postfix-users seems to indicate a
consensus that it's not that all that useful but google uses it so
that they can avoid implementing DNSSEC due to the very large number
of MTA servers they support and the need to sign all those generated
on the fly DNS responses that load balance among them.

But does MTA-STS actually work in the absense of DNSSEC?  If a MITM
can forge the DNS MX record why can't they return NXDOMAIN for the
same domain when asked for _mta-sts at the same domain?  If so the
sending host sees no MTA-STS policy, never fetches anything from the
web site, and happily delivers mail to the MITM to read and relay.

Am I missing something?  Is google's use of MTA-STS without DNSSEC at
all useful?

Also how does MTA-STS not violate the "publicly-referenced SMTP server
MUST NOT require .. STARTTLS" in rfc2487 and rfc3207.  (Which imho
should be fixed to remove that restriction.)

Curtis
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