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Today's Topics:
1. [theme] show Plymouth Script values (Andre "Osku" Schmidt)
2. Re: [theme] show Plymouth Script values (Ray Strode)
3. Re: [theme] show Plymouth Script values (Adrian Glaubitz)
4. Re: [theme] show Plymouth Script values (Ray Strode)
5. [SPAM] Re: [theme] show Plymouth Script values (Charlie Brej)
6. Re: [SPAM] Re: [theme] show Plymouth Script values
(Andre "Osku" Schmidt)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:12:42 +0100
From: "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <[email protected]>
Subject: [theme] show Plymouth Script values
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <1262985162.15139.12.ca...@koala>
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Hi list,
still having fun playing with Plymouth Script. this time with an
"useful" theme that shows values what Plymouth Script has/gets.
http://osku.de/post/plymouth_values.ogv
http://gitorious.org/oskude-plymouth-themes/values
cheers
.andre
ps. please do say if i should stop posting here about themes, or if
there's a more suitable list for them.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:43:58 -0500
From: Ray Strode <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [theme] show Plymouth Script values
To: Andre Osku Schmidt <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
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Hi,
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Andre "Osku" Schmidt
> still having fun playing with Plymouth Script. this time with an
> "useful" theme that shows values what Plymouth Script has/gets.
>
> http://osku.de/post/plymouth_values.ogv
> http://gitorious.org/oskude-plymouth-themes/values
neat.
> ps. please do say if i should stop posting here about themes, or if
> there's a more suitable list for them.
Your posts have been perfectly appropriate.
--Ray
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:13:11 +0100
From: Adrian Glaubitz <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [theme] show Plymouth Script values
To: Ray Strode <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Hi Ray,
On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 05:43:58PM -0500, Ray Strode wrote:
> > ps. please do say if i should stop posting here about themes, or if
> > there's a more suitable list for them.
> Your posts have been perfectly appropriate.
What do you think of committing these themes into master? I mean,
there aren't still so many available, are there? It's certainly a nice
thing to ship with quite a neat set of themes by default. Or maybe
there should be a separate place to collect these. It would be
defintely a shame if any of these themes just "linger" around ;).
Adrian
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:49:16 -0500
From: Ray Strode <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [theme] show Plymouth Script values
To: Adrian Glaubitz <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Adrian Glaubitz
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 05:43:58PM -0500, Ray Strode wrote:
>> > ps. please do say if i should stop posting here about themes, or if
>> > there's a more suitable list for them.
>> Your posts have been perfectly appropriate.
>
> What do you think of committing these themes into master? I mean,
> there aren't still so many available, are there? It's certainly a nice
> thing to ship with quite a neat set of themes by default.
Not sure. There are advantages and disadvantages.
At this point in the game, the plugin api isn't gauranteed to be
stable, so getting it in-tree means we can fix it up after api
changes.
On the other hand, right now we just have one representative theme per
plugin "engine", which makes some sense, too.
> Or maybe there should be a separate place to collect these. It would be
> defintely a shame if any of these themes just "linger" around ;).
A couple of things we could do:
1) put them in tree
2) create a plymouth-extra-themes module that we put these in and some
of the other out of three ones
3) create a plymouth-script-themes module that we put all the extra
script engine themes in
4) showcase each extra theme on the wiki with a link to a tarball for
just that theme
Not sure which of those options is the best, I guess I'd be interested
to hear Osku and Charlie's opinions.
--Ray>
> Adrian
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:07:11 +0000
From: Charlie Brej <[email protected]>
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [theme] show Plymouth Script values
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 09/01/10 02:49, Ray Strode wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Adrian Glaubitz
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi Ray,
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 05:43:58PM -0500, Ray Strode wrote:
>>>> ps. please do say if i should stop posting here about themes, or if
>>>> there's a more suitable list for them.
>>> Your posts have been perfectly appropriate.
>>
>> What do you think of committing these themes into master? I mean,
>> there aren't still so many available, are there? It's certainly a nice
>> thing to ship with quite a neat set of themes by default.
> Not sure. There are advantages and disadvantages.
>
> At this point in the game, the plugin api isn't gauranteed to be
> stable, so getting it in-tree means we can fix it up after api
> changes.
>
> On the other hand, right now we just have one representative theme per
> plugin "engine", which makes some sense, too.
>
>> Or maybe there should be a separate place to collect these. It would be
>> defintely a shame if any of these themes just "linger" around ;).
> A couple of things we could do:
>
> 1) put them in tree
> 2) create a plymouth-extra-themes module that we put these in and some
> of the other out of three ones
> 3) create a plymouth-script-themes module that we put all the extra
> script engine themes in
> 4) showcase each extra theme on the wiki with a link to a tarball for
> just that theme
>
> Not sure which of those options is the best, I guess I'd be interested
> to hear Osku and Charlie's opinions.
Its best to do it like all other theme-able software does i.e. keep one default
theme in the repo, and keep the other themes offsite. Although the plugin API
does change, the theme one will do so far less frequently that breakage should
be rare. Plugins OTOH are a little more compelling, but that isn't an issue yet.
The values theme itself is more of a debug tool though, so that might be useful
to have on the wiki.
If anyone makes a theme, I also recommend making an entry on the theme
catalogue
sites as that is where the splashy/usplash themes are already.
http://gnome-look.org/
http://www.kde-look.org/
Hosting your own files is no longer a problem with sites like gitorious (google
code and many others) which seem great for this stuff.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:18:07 +0100
From: "Andre \"Osku\" Schmidt" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [theme] show Plymouth Script values
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <1263032287.3371.71.ca...@koala>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 08:07 +0000, Charlie Brej wrote:
> On 09/01/10 02:49, Ray Strode wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Adrian Glaubitz
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Hi Ray,
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 05:43:58PM -0500, Ray Strode wrote:
> >>>> ps. please do say if i should stop posting here about themes, or if
> >>>> there's a more suitable list for them.
> >>> Your posts have been perfectly appropriate.
> >>
> >> What do you think of committing these themes into master? I mean,
> >> there aren't still so many available, are there? It's certainly a nice
> >> thing to ship with quite a neat set of themes by default.
> > Not sure. There are advantages and disadvantages.
> >
> > At this point in the game, the plugin api isn't gauranteed to be
> > stable, so getting it in-tree means we can fix it up after api
> > changes.
> >
> > On the other hand, right now we just have one representative theme per
> > plugin "engine", which makes some sense, too.
> >
> >> Or maybe there should be a separate place to collect these. It would be
> >> defintely a shame if any of these themes just "linger" around ;).
> > A couple of things we could do:
> >
> > 1) put them in tree
> > 2) create a plymouth-extra-themes module that we put these in and some
> > of the other out of three ones
> > 3) create a plymouth-script-themes module that we put all the extra
> > script engine themes in
> > 4) showcase each extra theme on the wiki with a link to a tarball for
> > just that theme
> >
> > Not sure which of those options is the best, I guess I'd be interested
> > to hear Osku and Charlie's opinions.
i like the option to keep trunk minimal best. and using the freedesktop
wiki for starters sounds a good option. but when there starts to be many
themes, a dedicated site could be more appropriate.
but... (more at bottom)
> Its best to do it like all other theme-able software does i.e. keep one
> default
> theme in the repo, and keep the other themes offsite. Although the plugin API
> does change, the theme one will do so far less frequently that breakage
> should
> be rare. Plugins OTOH are a little more compelling, but that isn't an issue
> yet.
>
> The values theme itself is more of a debug tool though, so that might be
> useful
> to have on the wiki.
>
> If anyone makes a theme, I also recommend making an entry on the theme
> catalogue
> sites as that is where the splashy/usplash themes are already.
>
> http://gnome-look.org/
> http://www.kde-look.org/
i would like to avoid me (or any other theme author/user) needing to
update more than one site. and wondering which "theme site(s)" to even
use, is a little show stopper. (like user just checking one site, not
knowing that at site x are also plymouth themes)
but, i see a "bigger" problem. as plymouth will be integrated by the
distro in to the system, i assume things like event names from
SetUpdateStatusFunction will be different, so some themes are more
"compatible" with distro x than with distro y. but maybe that is the
only thing thats different on distros ?
does freedesktop.org have a theme site ?
> Hosting your own files is no longer a problem with sites like gitorious
> (google
> code and many others) which seem great for this stuff.
yup, thats why i didn't name my project (at gitorious.org) "Plymouth
Themes", so it's still free for a general project where people could
have their repos ;)
(i just now started to use a DVCS and i couldn't live without it
anymore. really a must for anyone who has changing text files :)
and with DVCS it would be very easy for people (devs) to do
forks/branches that tailor the "orginal" theme to work in distro x.
so my ideal solution would be that there is only one place (that is not
bound to a distro or desktop/toolkit) for the user to find* plymouth
plugin themes.
maybe just a "simple" link database to where the themes are hosted...
cheers
.andre
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