Well said. I was in a union in the 90's. They did nothing for us.
Don't forget AZ is a right to work state. In spite of this I see lots
of folks living in nice houses, driving nice cars, and go to nice
places.
Az does well as a right to work state.
On 2024-04-25 12:19, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote:
As a software developer of 15 years, I personally would not want a
union, at least not one in a traditional sense. Additionally, I've
never been in a union so maybe my understanding is wrong or outdated,
however my reasoning for not wanting one are:
* I want my salary/benefits to be based on what I personally can
bring to the table.
* Similarly to #1, if I and/or my team perform better than the rest
of the company, I want us to be recognized for that _and_ compensated
appropriately.
* I don't want to start at the bottom of the totem pole at a new
company because I'm the new guy.
* I don't want to work with people that should have been let go due
to their performance but are effectively being protected by the union.
* I don't want to be forced to strike because the union is playing
political games that I don't care about.
There's a time and place for unions; when you're in the top 10% of
national salaries, you're not in a position to need one.
All that said, I work remotely, for a company that's not based in
Arizona, and therefore am paid relatively well compared to the local
Market.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, at 11:53 AM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
would it be time to unionize or change the way business is done in
AZ?
On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:50:10 AM MST, trent shipley
<[email protected]> wrote:
No. As a rule software engineers/programmers/developers/computer
scientists all see themselves as professionals who are above
unionizing and seldom or never do. I think we're seeing the effect
of Arizona being a provincial, 3rd world location for headquarters
and software development options.
It's similar to "we make the chips. We aren't friken good enough to
DESIGN the chips. They do that in NICE places."
On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:35 AM greg zegan <[email protected]>
wrote:
Wow!
thanks.
sure look like they are taking advantage of the Right to work
state workers.
On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 09:08:07 AM MST, trent shipley via
PLUG-discuss <[email protected]> wrote:
https://www.onetonline.org/link/localwages/15-1251.00?st=AZ
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