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In D11308#227359 <https://phabricator.kde.org/D11308#227359>, @ngraham wrote: > In D11308#227358 <https://phabricator.kde.org/D11308#227358>, @graesslin wrote: > > > In D11308#227332 <https://phabricator.kde.org/D11308#227332>, @ngraham wrote: > > > > > In D11308#227330 <https://phabricator.kde.org/D11308#227330>, @graesslin wrote: > > > > > > > @ngraham Let's try to not work against our distros. Yes we could change that because we are upstream, we set the default. The result would be distros swapping the wallpaper and we have unreadable text. This is something which will happen, I have been too long in this business to not expect otherwise. We want to provide a good experience for everyone. And that means this change just cannot go in, sorry about that. > > > > > > > > Sorry, we just cannot do a change which renders the text possibly unreadable on most systems. > > > > > > > > > Do we know that the distros you mentioned currently do use wallpapers that will make white text unreadable, or is this a worry about the future? > > > > > > I do not know how the situation is as I don't have tested all distros. But I also think that this is irrelevant. We have a technical problem here and that needs to be fixed. > > > I very much agree that there is a technical problem in need of fixing. As you can see in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369676, we're starting to scope out that work. The question is, does that work need to be done before this change can land? We can ensure that our upstream image looks good, and we can alert distros to the change and help them ensure that theirs do too. Plasma 5.13 isn't being released for several more months, which gives us time to work with rolling release distros to ensure that they're not shipping a lock screen background that's unreadable. We have even more time for the fixed release distros like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, and openSUSE Leap. In particular it will be years before Debian stable gets Plasma 5.13. > > I volunteer to lead the distro outreach effort to ensure that distros don't ship with lockscreen backgrounds that make the text unreadable. > > And medium-term, we will fix the lock screen's UI in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369676 to eliminate the issue entirely. > > Does this sound like a sensible path forward, Martin? Sorry but no. I want to see it addressed before flipping it. We have shipped half finished things too often - especially on the look screen. Sorry but sometimes I wonder what you want to achieve: improve the situation for all of change for the sake of change. If you ignore that most users won't get the wallpaper you think of then it's unfortunately the latter. REPOSITORY R133 KScreenLocker REVISION DETAIL https://phabricator.kde.org/D11308 To: ngraham, #plasma, #vdg, graesslin, abetts Cc: Fuchs, broulik, davidedmundson, zzag, Pitel, progwolff, abetts, hein, mart, graesslin, plasma-devel, ZrenBot, lesliezhai, ali-mohamed, jensreuterberg, sebas, apol
