On Wednesday, March 09, 2016 18:01:12 Luigi Toscano wrote: > On Wednesday 09 of March 2016 09:26:05 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 08, 2016 22:04:26 Luigi Toscano wrote: > > > Sebastian Kügler ha scritto: > > > > On Tuesday, March 08, 2016 21:20:22 Luigi Toscano wrote: > > > >> Alexander Potashev ha scritto: > > > >>> 2016-03-08 23:04 GMT+03:00 Ivan Čukić <ivan.cu...@kde.org>: > > > >>>> We have had System Settings since ages, this patch just streamlines > > > >>>> other similar components to that naming scheme. > > > >>> > > > >>> OK then. Sorry for the noise. > > > >> > > > >> Well, couldn't this be the right time to move away from the ambiguity > > > >> and > > > >> have precise names? > > > > > > > > No, we're happy with the names. > > > > > > Others won't be. And you also fixed other unrelated messages in > > > khelpcenter > > > (the name of some documents without checking what they are about or > > > without asking about how to rename them - can we do it before changing > > > those strings)? > > > > Who is "others"? > > > > In general, when criticizing, can you give concrete examples and provide > > alternative solutions? I can't really address your concerns otherwise. > > > > You're hinting that I broke something. Could you point out what? In my > > testing, and when I checked, everything still worked and even made more > > sense, with less wrong usage of the "KDE" brand. That's why the patches > > passed review and have been pushed to master. > > I'm one of the people who is "lobbying" and fixing the wrong usage of "KDE" > around. So let me put this straight: I totally and completely support the > removal of KDE-as-the-desktop.
That's much appreciated! > My concern are about generic names. There were complaints even for our usage > of a generic name like System Settings, and that's why, for what I > remember, Ben created that additional kdesystemsettings.desktop to be shown > outside Plasma. I remember heated discussions in the past, and I can dig it > a bit more (I don't have my mail archive right now). > > I feel like using generic names for these kind of components is stepping in > the toes of other desktop environment. I feel that every time I see a > generic name from, to name one, few components of the Gnome desktop. So > they ends up hiding them in their environment, which does not help > convincing the users that all applications are equal (and not bloated or > not fitted or not working under a different desktop). > > If, on the other side, you think that this is not important for components > part of Plasma, and if they are not used (because ends up hidden by their > generic name) in other environment, that's fine. > > You could think I'm overthinking. I think other users will share these > concerns. > The decision is yours, I was not going (and I won't) to continue the debate > after this. Two replies, close it. The opinion here was that it's not actually *that* generic. The "Center" (in both, Help Center and Info Center) isn't too generic, so this is fine from our point of view. If it turn out to be a problem in the future, we may revisit, of course. > > > The Gnome equivalent for khelpcenter is called yelp, not Help Center. > > > Again: please reevaluate. Generic names are simply bad. > > > > I think generic names are great because it's something the user can > > understand without context. You're not actually supporting your own > > statements, I can't reasonably work with that kind of criticism. > > > > I'd like to address your feedback and come to a solution everyone is happy > > with, but for that, please provide suggestions what to use instead, and > > don't just point out "that's bad", because the previous naming was wrong, > > and the current isn't (AFAICS), so it's not an option to just revert, I'd > > rather fix it. > > And I agree, again, that the current naming is incorrect. So please go > forward and rename it with the generic name and let's close this > discussion. Done and pushed to Plasma/5.6 branches of khelpcenter and kinfocenter. Thanks for helping to get this sorted! -- sebas Sebastian Kügler | http://vizZzion.org | http://kde.org _______________________________________________ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
