On Thursday 12 December 2013, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:26:42 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > Today, I'm running Plasma 2 almost exclusively on my laptop. The most > > you wonderful, crazy man. :) > > > In plasma-shell, we have some construction sites as well. Kickoff still > > feels quite unfinished (some would say broken ;)), configuration of > > do we even want to keep kickoff? we need the menu based launcher for legacy > support, but i really really wonder if the kickoff UX is at all relevant > anymore. that’s a different thread, though.
I would like still giving by default a menu, but way simpler, even somewhat more similar to a traditional menu (kickoff ui should really go i think, some/most of the code of the qml port may be saved/reused tough) > > plasma-framework needs some work on APIs, too. With large version number > > change, we can reduce the delta between libplasma and our declarative > > imports. There are some candidates which currently use quite some glue > > code for our declarative bindings. Can cook this down and maybe move > > some implementations into libplasma, or adding necessary Q_PROPERTYs to > > our API? > > sounds like a perfect candidate for a class-by-class examination of what is > in the declarative imports. yes, a tough api review of the qml imports is something i wish since uuh, 3 years :p (may be an argument for the sprint, maybe the last couple of days when we are too cooked for doing productive hacking anyways) > > We're not very well equipped in the artwork department. Perhaps we can > > try to find artists more actively. I think we have some very exciting > > work to be done, with a large audience. There *must* be good designers > > around who want to help us making Plasma beautiful. > > i have worked with 2 groups now .. and despite regular and supportive > feedback and assistance from my side, both failed to produce completed > results. > I think it's again a bit social/culture barrier (in a sense not unlike the "fun" we're having with hardware people) Currently opensource software has the reputation (deserved or not, this is a completely different argument) to be badly designed, and i guess many designers don't particularly want to be involved in something that in their community has a bad reputation. This combined to a more diffused adversion to work for free (and after all there are paid developers to work on code right now) other problems may be collaboration, it's difficult to find a designer willing to collaborate with others. Right now at the current state of development, to have art/design work we can actually use, we need a designer capable of thinking *inside* the box, quality very difficult to find in that field ;) I'm sure someone does exist tough ;) In the end, I'm favourable of even paying someone, if $ for that do exist at all, as long as is *not* a contest. > > Part of this communication is that we should settle the name question. We > > had a good discussion about that some time ago, but it died out before > > reaching a conclusion. Let's put the options back on the table, and come > > to a decision there. (Relevant thread is "naming the next major release" > > on 19th August on plasma-devel.) > > i’m all for `Plasma 2` with the shells named after the form factor they > target. Plasma Desktop, Plasma Netbook (renamed to?), Plasma Tablet, etc. for Plasma Netbook in my long sleepless nights (meh) I tought about a slight, not radical redesign that besides being i think a bit better would allow to reuse pieces of most of the desktop and active ui bits, so hopefully little effort involved (last famous words) Cheers, Marco Martin _______________________________________________ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
