On 06/20/2012 03:50 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 14:12:48 Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:
I think I might be one of the targets on why this IRC meeting is
no one is a target at this, or any other, plasma meeting. it's not about
rooting out blame or villianizing anyone. rather we're going to try and re-find
our set of common ground rules for working with each other, starting with what
we're wanting to personally achieve when working on this project and going
from there.
procedure. Nobody ever read my answers and everyone just carried on with
his false perception. I feel pretty upset that an action done as annma =
member of the plasma team (or so I thought) is interpreted as a QA Team
action and generalized.
i read your answers and i am clear on whether the action was one that you took
or that the QA team took. it really does not matter which it was, at least not
to me, which is why i didn't address that issue directly but tried to remain
focused on the issue of commit reversions and, as a separate though related
issue, removal requests. who does it is neither here nor there; what matters
is that we have consensus on how to do these things .. this is something we
had at one point in our team but which has evidently been lost to some degree
as the team has recently grown.
it matters to me to not scapegoat the QA team in order to minimize its work.
The call for an IRC meeting mail starts with
"it has become apparent that we need to do something here about the
attitude demonstrated by some of those who have chosen to participate in
plasma."
in which I would have liked the "some of those" specifically nominated
and mailing list mails quoted in order to clear what this is all about.
ime, when you start singling people out by name it becomes even more
uncomfortable and unfair for pretty much everyone involved. what matters is
that we have some issues that we can only work through _together_.
Usually meetings have agendas
Is my reverted commit a cause of this meeting? is it because other
developers questioned some design decisions like having the remaining
time displayed on the battery icon?
this and several other events in the last 4-6 weeks. it also has not been just
the actions themselves, but the way in which those actions were undertaken.
this is all going to be covered during the meeting ..
I won't be there at the meeting unfortunately. I'll log it to read it.
Personally I like things to be said face to face that's why I take time
to write these mails. And I do feel targeted.
In any case I hope I clarified my position and if this one reverted
commit by me was not done properly (I think I never behaved unfairly
within KDE, have I?), this happens quite often. Happened from you too.
Let's then have a rule of review everything properly.
If Valorie's mail had not come I was about to mail Kevin (ervin) in
order to have a mediator of some sort, because I was uncomfortable with
this, not for me but for all plasma caring people (which may be or not
"The Plasma Team").
Anne-Marie
It'll be probably good to take some time to reflect on the Community
Working Group check list, with the help of this group members if necessary.
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