On Wednesday 04 November 2009 00:41:48 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: [...] > if we decide that this is something we would like to take on, we would need > to make it fun and cool to do this hard work. i'd be sure to share bug > count stats, performance measurements and track our goals on a regular > basis to keep us moving. if new people came along with new features or we > found we Really, Really(tm) needed something (e.g. if we got some kick ass > bluetooth work donated), we'd have to be flexible enough to allow some of > that to happen but disciplined enough not to get sidetracked ourselves.
Rather than a moratorium on new features, I'd like to have our culture more geared towards higher quality. For 4.4, this would mean that we do accept new features, but only after very good review. (I'm not saying that our reviews suck, but let's make damn sure we don't introduce new bugs.) I think it'd be cool if we just concentrated more on getting our stuff polished. During Tokamak, we could do reviews of certain aspects of Plasma, based on user's workflows (apparently we'll have a usability lab available there), and come up with list of workflows we'd like to improve. (Think of "import photos from camera", "start working on project X"... those might touch areas outside of plasma as well, but I don't think the user cares -- he shouldn't notice. Workflows, workflows, workflows.) I think indeed that a moratorium on new features would kill off some people's motivation and could cause tension. Also, creativity doesn't care about this, so if I wake up in the middle of the night with the urge to write the next killer app, that should be cool. If everybody sees the core team polishing rather than working on fun new features, that'll surely have effect on others as well. (Hopefully not "ah, good, they polish so I don't have to.). So how can we encourage this culture of polish: - Keep compabitility between 4.4 and 4.5 as long as possible: makes backports and testing easier - Form small teams that concentrate on making one aspect work really well (think of how Artur and Marco adopted plasma-mid, now plasma-netbook, I think this worked well) - Post status updates, stats to track our progress - Discuss sore points (but don't give the peanut gallery a forum) and work towards fixing them That said, for communication around 4.5, we should go for "we concentrated on polish" again: - we'll need it seeing all the new exciting features going into 4.4, those will surely take some time to settle and become really good - it communicates that we care about our (potential) users - it's beneficial for KDE (workspace, apps, platform) as a product > now, i'm still working through all of the implications of this and really > haven't decided yet whether it's the best of ideas yet. and it would > absolutely require that the overwhelming majority of our team here would > want to see this through. > > so i put the question to you: what do you think? should we do this? should > we not? why? why not? As an aside, I noticed my style of development change slightly over the last couple of weeks. Where I'd concentrate on a piece of code (say Selkie, Lion Mail, NetworkManager, ...) for a while, and then move on, I'm now thinking in specific issues, such as "fix mediawikirunner crash, polish code, make it ready for review and merge it", "make Selkie demo-able and consistent to the user", "fix layout issues in the battery applet". I'm personally thinking if I should keep this style as it works well with my day job (it cuts stuff into pieces so I don't get submerged into code for weeks at a time, not being able to concentrate on anything else), and it has the benefit that I'm moving with my stuff into the right direction, polishing and fixing, even if babysteps at a time. Maybe also a good opportunity to talk about our personal plans for plasma-beyond-4.4, mine are, roughly: - Make Lion Mail production quality, would be nice to have this in Plasma when also Kontact-on-Akonadi arrives - Finally finish the networkmanager plasmoid - Silk stuff, a topical "public transport API", GHNS in some components, Selkie I realise that this only partly fits into "polish, polish, polish", yet I don't quite feel like dropping stuff. I'm surely intrigued by the idea of making 4.5 really solid, but I think I need a mix of fixing and new development to be a happy coder. Sorry for the long-ish email, I'll try to be briefer next time ;) -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 _______________________________________________ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
