well ok that was an interesting little quote about the jokes and stuff...
was sort of funny.. anyways yes that is what he wants it for (but... i guess
anybody can go to it he says now) but from his worksheets and stuff for
reason of the web site it says nothing about general public.. and from
talking to him he says also the impression that its not for general public
either.. at least thats what he keeps telling me.   so if $30 an hour for
html and php and sql to be in the same pages + the database setup testing
and all that sort isnt good enough for pay what is a good price an hour for
that sort of stuff.. i really dont know where to look and i dont know what
is the best.. i live in the USA to be exact..

the person i work with is charging really high rates like for a flat
straight html page (only 1 page) $80 but for first page he wants $170 and
that has standard default text 1 email link 5 other links and 90 graphics..
every page after that is 3$80 unless on maintainence contract and then the
prices cheaper by $20 or so.. and all i get is $30/hour and thats doing php
html and sql all in the same pages..

i did one web page system for a client of his that took me a few weeks to
write cuz i just got into php/sql right then and by the time i got done with
it the whole web page system was like 230k on the disk without the db
included (ok so i might be a beginner and my code might be a little sloppy
but the point is that it works) well i am getting paid $0 for it so i guess
its free(????) and for the client im doing it for he told me the most we can
charge for it is $15/hour for any add ons or changes after it goes on the
server..

he told me that the system i just got done writing was valued retail at $400
at the least and could be worth more than that but my pay is getting
severely discounted from what i can tell (like i said i dont know what a
standard fair price to charge would be) he sets up the rates for pay not
me..


sigh i have done about 2 months of work and havent seen 1 pay check yet and
its getting on my nerves i need money to pay bills not to do code for his
clients for free..

but anyways i guess the reason for the very cheap pay for this pastor client
is because he is on social security and only gets like $500 a month for
money to live off of and cant afford to pay more than $40 for something...


need help trying to sort this stuff out.. any body that can help?

sorry if this is the wrong kind of post for this list but need to vent out
to somewhere...



----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Sunfire'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:58 PM
Subject: RE: [PHP] <button> and </button>


> > ... well he said basically that this web site isnt being used
> > for
> > "everybody" and it is only used for pastors that need somewhere to go
> and
> > get info and relief from problems they might have and dont want to
> tell
> > people in their church about it.
>
> Oh my god!!! So many jokes came to me so quickly that I got dizzy and
> passed out and hit my head on the desk!!
>
> Sounds like a pretty demanding pastor you've got. I guess it's not a sin
> to screw a programmer and pay him next to nothing?
>
> ---John Holmes...
>
>
>


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