Acer,
In case you didn't know: Zeev Suraski and Andi Gutmans made PHP4 out of PHP3 (correct the details if you wish). Then, they founded Zend (ZEev aNDi) and run it successfully. Two guys always religiously contribute to PHP. Their role in PHP project is of an IMMENSE (no, words are not enough to describe it) value, and they do it for free. So, as you can see, with or without Zend, PHP would exist. But, I am pretty sure that, without Zend, PHP4 would never make it to the level it is on right now. Zend is, indeed, a company that keeps the commercial balance to the PHP Open Source project. Lots of times, companies ask for customer support and additional libraries/extensions to the PHP programming language. Who was supposed to do that? The 600 developers for free? No, we left Zend doing it, and in exchange, Zend is powering every world's PHP installation up. See, Acer, it works! If, Acer, you really need a PHP job, tell your headhunter that Zend exists, so that ignorant headhunter will trust PHP better. Do you have any idea of the billions of dollars that were made with PHP around the world? I myself run a national-level project for the Italian Government. We’ve got dozens of PHP people involved for 2 years which is the duration of the project. You cannot even feel the immensity of PHP. And, ironically, PHP Dev Group still asks for free FTP mirrors. Now, please, poor soul Acer, make us all happy - stop offending this mailing list. Unfortunately, your messages pop-up on our eyes while reading this mailing list hopping to help someone in trouble. Your senseless typing only makes us hate you. Ciao, Maxim Maletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:13 PM > To: Zeev Suraski > Cc: Justin French; php > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > Okay like I said before, Zeev is agreeing with me that php is zend and > zend > is php. However, if zend dropped off the face of the planet, there would > be > programmers to fill that void. > > Again call me a cynic but zend develops php but if you pay them several > thousand then it will run 4 times faster. Wow that's great. So let's not > put that much effort into php and make it run faster if you pay. No > conflict of interest there. > > Wow 3 million sites, that's a lot. How many of those actually get more > then > 1000 visitors? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Zeev Suraski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: August 4, 2002 10:55 AM > To: Acer > Cc: Justin French; php > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > Just a couple of facts: > > 1. If Zend did not exist, PHP 4 wouldn't have existed, at least not in > any > way similar to what PHP 4 looks like today. FYI, with PHP 3, it was > impossible to write accelerators, encoders, debuggers and whatnot. > > 2. Zend published its value-add software *2 years* ago, when it was > really > innovative. The fact some of its key products were since copied by the > freeware community doesn't mean that they would have existed in the first > place. > > An opinion: > > Like others pointed out, your assertion that in order to use PHP in a > production environment you HAVE to have an encoder or an accelerator is > ridiculous. If I gave you a set of patches that doubles the speed of PHP, > but offer a commercial product that quadruples it, you'd still be pissed > and say that you HAVE to pay in order to use PHP in a production > environment, wouldn't you? > > And finally, another fact: > > There are 3 million PHP based web sites in the world. Only a fragment of > them use accelerators or encoders, and you know something? They're doing > pretty darn well. > > Zeev > > At 16:45 04/08/2002, Acer wrote: > >Okay let me clarify, I think that if Zend did not exist then php would be > in > >a better position. Why? Because something like php-encoder would of > filled > >the void sooner and everyone would of benefited from encoders and > >accelerators. > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
