[snip] I don't know if this is what you want to hear, but I can tell you that as a rule, I don't hire people who advertise certifications on their resume.
I've found that they correlate pretty strongly with incompetence, to the point where nothing saves me more time when filtering through resumes than first throwing away the ones covered with acroyms starting with C or MC. People who have the skills, demonstrate it through their work experience, walking through their sample code with me, and their ability to explain how they would perform a task. People who trumpet certifications overwhelmingly seem to be people who were unable to advance their careers based on the strength of their skills, and so chose to resort to a paper method instead. I'm not saying anything about you here, just suggesting that you consider alternate means of impressing employers. [/snip] +1 Miguel I recently had the opportunity to hire someone for a basic web developer position, so I decided to approach the process differently. I decided that in all fairness I would give each candidate who applied the chance to prove themselves. I started with a written test with 20 questions, basic web development, mostly multiple choice. The highest score was a 68, (out of a possible 100) posted by a recent (less than 6 months earlier) college graduate with a degree in Computer Science. Needless to say I was shocked! I saw all sorts of certs attached to this group. I brought in the top 5 scorers (they took the original test during the application process, or were sent the test if they e-mailed their apps with a requirement to complete and return the test is 24 hours ... and these e-mail resume senders didn't bother to use the 24 given them TO LOOK UP THE ANSWERS...DUH!) who actually sent URL's for me to look at (I looked at the source to see if FrontPage or anything such as that had been used - if so they were eliminated) for 2 additional tests. I gave each a 5 question verbal exam which included questions about standards, documentation, identification of code, basic database knowledge, etc. Each question was worth 20 points. Hell, I even gave a person 5 points for honestly answering "I don't know.". High score: 65 points. The final test. I gave each a basic visual site layout on paper which included a small table, unordered list, basic headers, basic paragraph, etc.. (No dynamic elemnets or db connections) They were seated at a Windows computer with a copy of notepad and IE. They were given the address of the graphic to include. All they had to do was type, save, change to browser, reload, check their progress and move on. Each correct element (tag) was awarded 5 points for a total of 100 (20 correct elements). I had another 25 bonus points I would give if any used basic CSS. They had 1 hour to hand code as close as they could get to what had been laid out on paper. High Score: 60, none used CSS, but I did see lots of font tags! Total High Score: 178 (The Guy with the BS in CS above) out of a possible 300 ... 59.3 % (Johnny can't read or write code either :^] ) I didn't hire him...I went to have a beer. Myself and a couple of other app devs were sitting ROFLOAO about the whole thing. I guess the beer increased our volume level, because a guy came up and said he heard what we were saying and that he was a web guy looking for a steady gig. I started interviewing him right there. No certs, no degree. Went to the office, looked at sites he had a hand in. He described not only basic HTML stuff, but CSS, ASP, JavaScript, PHP, a smattering of SQL (in which he clames to be weak), and a couple of other things. He took the 20 question multiple (remember, we had had a few ;^] ) and he got a 95. Missed the question about which tag is absolutely required in an HTML page. He hand coded the example while drinking a Bud Lite, completed it in 15 minutes, missed a couple of completion tags (like </li>) and used CSS. Hired him. Took him back to the bar. Happy ever since. Moral of story? Learn to write code and listen to loud guys in bars. It may pay someday. Jay "Football incorporates the two worst elements of American society: violence punctuated by committee meetings." -George Will ************************************* * Want to meet other PHP developers * * in your area? Check out: * * http://php.meetup.com/ * * No developer is an island ... * ************************************* -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
