This is rather sad, the PHP mailing list is pretty good.
Agreed, sometimes the answers are curt, that's because a lot of the
questions have been asked a zillion times and can be found in the archives.
And sometimes there's no response, perhaps the solution is not evident to
those on the list.

But I think there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
Very often the entire solution comes so readily through the list, that
newbies tend to turn to the list for every little thing.

It would help the newbie to do his/her research before turning to the list.
And it would help in keeping the list healthy too. Try the CHM PHP4 manual,
the site www.php.net and its partner sites.

So, do a bit of research and when you can truly truly say that you give up,
then the smart-asses are here to help you out.

cheers.


-----Original Message-----
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t]On Behalf Of Christopher Riordan
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 6:51 AM
To: PHP Mailing List
Subject: Re: [PHP] MySQL - Creating The Database


He'll Be Back, they all come back

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Teagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PHP Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] MySQL - Creating The Database


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Jason Teagle'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'PHP Mailing List'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [PHP] MySQL - Creating The Database
>
> How very sad. It's not new - I've seen things like this on many lists and
> newsgroups. Apparently it is easier for people to be sarcastic and give a
> flippant RTFM response than to actually help people. The only list I've
ever
> seen that actually treated newcomers with a bit of respect in most cases
is
> WinDev.
>
> Here's an example of what a good answer would have been:
>
> "MySQL databases aren't single files like other types. They're like
> directories with files as tables.
> PHP itself can create a database, take a look at mysql_connect(),
> mysql_query() and the CREATE DATABASE SQL action."
>
> See? It gives the answer, involves no sarcasm or mockery, and above all,
> actually HELPS the OP.
>
> But no... being a smart-ass is easier, right?
>
> The trouble with wise guys like these is that they assume:
>
> 1) That the OP has not bothered to try to find the answer.
> We're not all geniuses, we can't all think laterally all the time, we
can't
> all come up with the right way of finding the answer. For the record, I
> _did_ look online using Google and _did_ look around the PHP manual, but
was
> unlucky enough not to end up on the route that shows mysql_create_db(). My
> misfortune.
>
> 2) That the OP already knows the answer.
> Coming from a number of other programming languages where it is not
possible
> to create a database programmatically, it is natural to assume that the
same
> might be true of PHP. Had I known that PHP could create it from scratch, I
> would not have needed to deal with this pathetic situation. But I didn't
> know, so I stupidly thought that I might get some help from a list
> pretending to help people trying to program in PHP.
>
> Obviously, I was wrong. Also my misfortune.
>
> Don't bother responding, I have left the list. Plenty of places where
people
> are actually willing to help.
>
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> o o    Jason Teagle
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