Hello,
Christopher Cm Allen wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm afraid that PHP is not yet very credible in that world. The truth is
> > there is not great marketing force behind PHP like there is Sun behind
> > Java or Microsoft behind .Net
>
> Good point, and how does one go about marketing a language that is
> open-source?
If you don't know it is because you are not very motivated to do it. So,
the first step is to convince and motivate yourself that PHP needs to be
marketed.
As for what to do, instead of suggesting new ideas, I would rather
recall some old ideas that always seemed to work well.
For instance, provide PHP users compensation. It does not need to be
financial compensation. It may be moral compensation as long as it is
real compensation.
For instance, if I am not mistaken, Guido Van Rossum, the Python
creator, sponsored a contest to develop software development tools with
cash prizes. Only a few won, but the contest attracted a lot of people
and was even mentioned in prestiged software development magazines like
Dr. Dobbs. This required some investment, but if you look around you
will not have much trouble to find a sponsor.
Another point is that they managed to get the media on their side. It
seems that in the PHP community there is little effort to appeal to
media. That is a major waste of oppiortunity because they can provide
some much marketing for free.
One free way to provide compensation to any PHP user is to promote their
work. 2 years ago I started a repository of PHP Classes of objects that
basically allow anybody to contribute regardless of the quality and
utility that you may attribute to what is contributed.
The point is that once users that anybody can have some fame to have his
work exposed to a large PHP audience (over 40.000 subscribers), they
want to contribute as well and the site grows thanks to the moral
compensation that it offers to any PHP user.
There are other class repositories, like the official PHP PEAR
repository, but the scope is different because the contributions are not
accepted arbitrarily, so you don't get as many contributors.
Other than that, PHP resources sites like these should be officially
linked altogether with things like Web rings. It would cause a much
better impression to newcomers or ceptic people as it would make PHP
more credible exposing the real level of support that the whole PHP
community can provide. Unfortunately, the maintainers of PHP main site
and Zend site do not seem to agree that it would be a good idea to
promote other PHP resources sites with banners to pointing to them like
what is done with Web rings.
Ok, these are just a few ideas that would help PHP to be better
marketed. They are not new and have already been discussed before. It is
up to the people that have more active roles in the PHP community to
open their minds and pick them up.
> I do it by not allowing FP like extensions on my server's. All of my custom
> apps are php or if need be I switch to C/perl.
> If I get pushed hard enough I will do c++ :)
>
> By your own words though , the volume of users of a non-marketed php,
> compared to the users of marketed Java et al. speaks for itself.
> Php holds its own..
But for how long?
> What if a group of developers/designers started marketing PHP?
Marketing does wonders. I should not need to to tell you that. One
problem seems to be some people in the PHP community have some kind of
aversion to the idea of that somebody can make money from free software.
That way you are ruling out people that can do a lot of good to the
growth of the PHP market. I think it is a matter of being more open
minded. The more opportunities you provide to others, the greater are
the chances that opportunities benefit your goals, in this case a a
wider acceptance of PHP making it more credible to people that basically
ignore it.
ok, that's just me trying to be more constructive. :-)
Regards,
Manuel Lemos
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