Still.. that has nothing to do with how well known MD5 is (so I stand by my 
point).    All these databases are is a giant list of pre-MD5'd strings.  Brute 
force stuff, no magic behind it that allows for reversing MD5. You could 
technically do that with just about any crypto or hashing system.  Just happens 
that MD5 is one that's been focused on and more complicated systems would 
require exponentially more variables in what you'd have to enter.   For 
instance, you could do this with PGP, but I'm guessing you'd have to have at 
least two pass phrases and how many things go into generating the public and 
private keys, plus the message/file that was encrypted.  So for one short text 
string, you could possibly have a database as large as all the MD5 projects put 
together... but you could potentially do the same thing.   At that point it's 
highly prohibitive though.

I got the idea that MD5 really wasn't what he was looking for anyway, so going 
into detail about the security of it didn't seem fruitful.  I talk too much as 
it is. hah

This is a good point though.  MD5 isn't great security, particuarly with the 
databases like the one you mentioned, but most of us aren't storing national 
security documents.   As with security since the dawn of time, it's all a 
matter of how valuable is what you're protecting versus the cost of 
implementing a protection scheme.   7-11 doesn't hire secret service to protect 
against midnight robberies.

-TG



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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So the fact that MD5 is a well known algorithm doesn't really make a 
> difference 
> as far as security goes.
  
Except for the fact of the growing number of databases that will map the 
hashes back to the clear text (for example: http://md5.benramsey.com/)
Of course it is nice because it is a common implementation, and can be 
done on the server side, as well as the client side.




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