Typically I would never respond to this type of thread discussion, but it's
one that gives me a great amount of frustration from time to time. I think
this level of frustration stems from the fact that a lot of these 'newbie'
questions are even more basic than a PHP newbie should be asking. Things
that should be fairly evident to anyone who's done any level of
development. The problem is we get people who don't know a lick about
programming methodologies, logicical contructs, variables, or any general
programming knowledge.
I would never dream of asking "How do I edit data in a database?" Or "How
do I display records from a database?" These are the types of things you
should be familiar with beforehand. It's almost as if someone woke up one
morning and decided Geee, I think I'll write a web application. It
shouldn't matter that I've never programmed anything ever before, it's the
web, anybody could do it...' Databases? nah, I don't need to know
anything about databases, I'll just write the code...'
And it's not as if this is the only available resource. I downloaded and
studied bits of code from everywhere when I decided to learn PHP. I read
every article on Zend.com and phpBuilder.com... I bought a PHP book and a
mySQL book... I actually took time out to 'learn' the language... and now
I write PHP fairly fluently... I rarely ask questions here, but keep the
emails to pick up a tip or two. Overall I love this list, but as I've said
before, it is a bit frustrating as well....
At 05:02 PM 3/29/01 +1000, Peter Houchin wrote:
>Being a newbie, and as i'm sure is the case with alot of other newbies,
>one that doesn't have a lot of programming back ground, ask stupid
>questions to this list because for some things that you find easy others,
>like my self, don't know what to look for in the manual ... so we ask it
>here... now if it wasn't for the more knowledgeable people on this list,
>I like many others, would be stuck with out any where to go ..
>
>So thanks to those of you that don't complain and crack the s#$@s when
>newbie become repetitive.
>
>Peter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ian Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:36 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [PHP] This PHP list
>
>
>
>I was hoping that this PHP list would be of people developing with PHP, who
>have reached some level of familiarity with the product and when they have
>had a fair go at solving a problem, they then posted it to the list. For
>example, we have a problem in our code where the last object in an array of
>objects sometimes vanishes into thin air depending on whether you
>comment-out a block of unrelated code further up the script.
>
>Unfortunately, this list is full of people with questions like "I want to
>access a database with PHP. Can someone please send me the source code".
>
>Does anyone know of any other PHP lists that are more suited to non-trivial,
>expert-related discussions?
>
>If there aren't any around, I'll start one on Yahoogroups or some other
>similar service.
>
>regards
>Ian.
>
>
>
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