This was sent off-list. I respect that. And it voices some opinions.
I am not flaming newbie questions. I am a newbie myself.
I do have a problem with the same questions coming up 3 times in a row.
With developers asking people to do simple logic. And people not looking
for answers before they ask.
All I am asking is if you do not have an understanding of programming..
do some tutorials. I am talking about questions like... how can I make the
page print "1 2 3 4 5" style of questions that come up because php is the
first thing that they looked at. This means the person hasn't even looked for
a basic tutorial.
I love the idea that the list is helpful, I love to answer all the
questions that I
can, but some people want you to hold their hand.
the "help-Your-friends-forum" is "hold-your-hand-forum" or
"spoon-feed-me-forum"
occassionaly.
the manual is http://www.php.net/manual/en/ do a simple search. These guys
did a pretty good job here.
I spent $80 on a book so I can step though the different functions and keep
most of my questions off the list. If you spent time looking say so, I can
respect
not being able to find something even if it is obvious.. I have done it myself.
I asked about contatination. I was looking for a strcat function.
Maybe I should invest some time into an site called phpstarter.com and buy
the domain
name.
I get quite a bit of help from people from this list on and off mailing. I
am not flaming
anyone in particular, I am just tired of people not bothering to spend any
energy because
it is easier to get someone else to give you the answer. That is what bugs me.
>I'm a newbee too, have search for hours in the online-manual to find certain
>answers. Also looked through the FAQ's, searched on PHPbuilder , Devshead
>and other sites, but didn't find a clue on my problem.
>It's frustrating spending hours one something a Pro would do in 5 secs!!!
>
>If the mailinglists wasn't ment to be a "help-Your-friends-forum" what are
>they then?
>
>The problem with the manual is, that it is VERY hard to understand correct
>for a newbee. For a little experienced developer it's no problem. But the
>rest of us??
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rick St Jean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Newsgroups: php.general
>Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 7:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [PHP] FAQ
>
>
> > The problem is that people are lazy or just to stupid to look for stuff.
> > Sometimes yes, we just miss something small or it is under another
>section.
> > I have done it as recently as tuesday with implode. But this is getting
>nuts.
> >
> > I guess I am frustrated because all the lists I am on are filled with lazy
> > people
> > who whine and want someone else to do all their work for them. PHP is not
> > low level
> > if you need something simple use iHTML. It is the simplest scripting
> > language out there.
> >
> >
> > I propose that the first few sentances of the signup message should be...
> >
> > READ THE MANUAL BEFORE POSTING!!!!!!
> > READ THE MANUAL BEFORE POSTING!!!!!!
> > READ THE MANUAL BEFORE POSTING!!!!!!
> > if you are confused about this... READ THE MANUAL BEFORE POSTING!!!!!!
> >
> > SEARCH THE ARCHIVES / FAQ BEFORE POSTING!!!!!
> > SEARCH THE ARCHIVES / FAQ BEFORE POSTING!!!!!
> > SEARCH THE ARCHIVES / FAQ BEFORE POSTING!!!!!
> > if you doing understand then SEARCH THE ARCHIVES / FAQ BEFORE POSTING!!!!!
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > At 10:22 AM 3/15/01 -0600, Chris Lee wrote:
> > >people wouldnt use an FAQ, when you see three people ask the exact same
> > >question on one single day, you know they dont read the other post, or
> > >care. if they wont read the posts on the same day they wont read an FAQ,
> > >they keep posting.
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > > Chris Lee
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >""Mal McKay"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >I'd just like to offset my other email by saying that a faq is often no
> > >substitute for the knowledge and experience of this list's members. In a
> > >strange way, the 'dumb' question this list gets proves the a faq can not
>be
> > >expected to know the right way to answer a query. A list member out there
> > >just might know _exactly_ what you need to solve your problem.
> > >
> > >mal
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: RBL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: 15 March 2001 17:17
> > >To: Rick St Jean; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: [PHP] FAQ
> > >
> > >
> > >on 3/15/01 9:04 AM, Rick St Jean at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > Also I would like to know if there would be a demand for an
> > > > experienced mailing list? I am just frustrated by the same 3
> > > > questions that pop up about once a day. The rest of the posts
> > > > are great.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > >
> > >I once thought a great product for mail lists (would require an admin
> > >interface, PHP?) would be a way to put into the list mail signature a
>random
> > >FAQ link.
> > >
> > >Fill that particular FAQ with commonly asked questions and have the FAQ
>sent
> > >out each month to all subscribers. A decent threaded mail reader would
>make
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> > >
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