As Boaz suggested look into hebrev and hebrevc functions. They are the only
ones I can think about right now.
check
http://php.net/hebrev
http://php.net/hebrevc
the manual states that this functions are defined in PHP3 and PHP4.
HTH
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Meir Kriheli
There's someone in my head, but it's not me - Pink Floyd
On Wednesday 28 February 2001 17:00, Aviv Revach wrote:
> Hey!
>
> Ok, I think that I will stick to logical Hebrew as most of you suggested.
>
> But still, I'm interested in knowing how could I take a HTML document which
> contains
> HTML tags, Hebrew words and English words, and reveres only the Hebrew
> words (making
> them Visual Hebrew) using only php3 functions (the server I'm using doesn't
> support php4).
>
> It would be great if anyone could point of a solution for doing that.
> By writing a script that will do that, I will both options - show the
> Hebrew in my website as Logical or use a script to translate it into visual
> Hebrew for browsers who do not support it.
>
> Thank you in advance -
>
> Aviv Revach
>
> At 16:45 01/03/01 +0200, Meir kriheli wrote:
> >On Thursday 01 March 2001 09:17, Boaz Yahav wrote:
> >
> >I think that Aviv should stick to logical hebrew (which is the standart,
> > as mentioned by Boaz).
> >
> >I don't use IE (I'm using Linux) and I can access all the logical sites
> > with no problem, including the "<html dir=rtl>" tag and the 'direction:
> > rtl' style (thank
> >god for konqueror).
> >
> >Netsacpe 6/Mozilla should support logical Hebrew pretty soon so no trouble
> >there, and if Opera wants to gain market share they shold support the
> >standart (logical) in here to.
> >
> >Altough the 3% estimate seems wrong (as noted by Manuel Lemos - Hi :-) ,
> > the majority of users in Israel are using IE.
> >
> >One more problem you'll have with visaul hebrew is the ugly line breaks
> > which cause the end of the sentence to appear before the start of it.
> >
> >I had a long discussion of this subject with Manuel off this mailing list.
> > I can send you a digest of it if you wish.
> >
> >--
> >Meir Kriheli
> >
> > There's someone in my head, but it's not me - Pink Floyd
> >
> > > Hi Manuel,
> > >
> > > All is great, working hard to make WeberDev.com a better place
> > > for the community and trying to make people understand we don't
> > > make $$$ from it :)
> > >
> > > The IE / NN war was one that left no chance for NN in Israel.
> > > While MS spent millions in making all of their products in Hebrew,
> > > including the free IE, NN refused to support Hebrew.
> > >
> > > While the 3% is correct for Israel, it's far from being true on an
> > > international basis.
> > >
> > > There are 3 large portals in Israel, 1 supports only IE (MSN),
> > > and the other two that supported NN, until not long ago, started
> > > to develop for IE only about 4-6 months ago.
> > >
> > > This is why there is no reason to support anything other than
> > > IE in Israel.
> > >
> > > With all due respect to people that like other browsers, developing
> > > for all browsers costs lots of $$$ and as long as portals are free
> > > and loosing lots of $$$ it's not profitable to develop for all.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, as the CTO of one of those portals I say go
> > > with Logical Hebrew and dump Netscape (In Israel Only).
> > >
> > > and don't forget to add the <HTML DIR="rtl"> tag at the
> > > beginning of each page.
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > >
> > > berber
> > >
> > > Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!!
> > > To see where PHP might take you tomorrow.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:51 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Hebrew websites transition with php3 ..
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Boaz,
> > >
> > > How are you doing these days? :-)
> > >
> > > On 28-Feb-01 16:39:35, you wrote:
> > > >The figures I'm giving you are from one of the two biggest portals in
> > > >Israel.
> > > >it's less than 3%.
> > >
> > > Mind me for jumping in, but I think Aviv question about the truth of
> > > the 3% figure ie very pertinent.
> > >
> > > The way I see it it is a gross mistake to assume that the audience of a
> > > large portal is necessary a reflex of the potential audience of that
> > > portal.
> > >
> > > I also work for a large portal company (not for the Hebrew audience
> > > though) and I found people making the same large mistake. They looked
> > > at the sites audience and figure that there is over 90% of Internet
> > > Explorer users in a site that used IE specific DHTML. Needless to say
> > > that it didn't show right in Netscape.
> > >
> > > Given that sites do not show right in certain browsers, it looks
> > > obvious that almost nobody using those browsers would show in the
> > > browser audience rates.
> > >
> > > I even wonder why there are still 3% of users of browsers that do not
> > > support logical Hebrew display that go to your portal. Same for the
> > > 10% of Netscape users that go to that other site in my company portal.
> > > Maybe those are just lurkers that went there and gave up on the site
> > > and did not return because they could not see right what was in there.
> > >
> > > The reality is that it turns out that there is still about 30% os
> > > Netscape users, meaning that if you force a certain type of display
> > > that they don't see right, you loose their audience.
> > >
> > > Just my .02 EUR. :-)
> > >
> > > Manuel Lemos
> > >
> > > >I'm not sure about Opera, if you are developing for an Israeli
> > > >audience, you can simply develop for IE 4.x and up.
> > > >
> > > >anyone with any other browser can go and get IE :)
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: Aviv Revach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:03 PM
> > > >To: Boaz Yahav; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: RE: [PHP] Hebrew websites transition with php3 ..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hey!
> > > >
> > > >Thank you for the quick reply.
> > > >
> > > >I do have some questions regarding your answer.
> > > >
> > > > From what I know and have seen so far, there are more than just 3%
> > > >Internet users in Israel which use Netscape 4.x (I use it myself...).
> > > >Are you sure that I should just ignore these people, and just use
> > > > logical Hebrew?
> > > >
> > > >Also, quite a lot of people started using Opera lately.. (ain't
> > > > speaking about Israeli users).
> > > >Does Opera supports Logical Hebrew? If so, from which version?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Best Regards -
> > > >
> > > > Aviv Revach
> > > >
> > > >At 15:20 28/02/01 +0200, Boaz Yahav wrote:
> > > >>Hi Aviv
> > > >>
> > > >>Let me give you a small tip about Hebrew on the net.
> > > >>
> > > >>The proper Hebrew code which was adopted by the Israeli Institute of
> > > >>Standards
> > > >>is the Logical standard. This standard is automatically supported by
> > > >> IE
> > >
> > > 4.x
> > >
> > > >>and 5.x
> > > >>and also by Netscape 6.x.
> > > >>
> > > >>The percentage of not IE4.x or 5.x users in Israel is less than 3%.
> > > >>
> > > >>3 of the major portals in Israel (Walla, Nana and MSN) are already
> > > >> moving
> > > >
> > > >to
> > > >
> > > >>logical Hebrew.
> > > >>
> > > >>So why use Visual Hebrew?
> > > >>
> > > >>In case you decide to go with Visual in any case, did you try
> > > >> hebrevc()?
> > > >>
> > > >>Sincerely
> > > >>
> > > >> berber
> > > >>
> > > >>Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!!
> > > >>To see where PHP might take you tomorrow.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: Aviv Revach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >>Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 1:43 PM
> > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>Subject: [PHP] Hebrew websites transition with php3 ..
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Hey!
> > > >>
> > > >>I've just joined this mailing-list, therefore, first of all, I would
> > > >> like to say hello to everybody.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Now, regarding the issue..
> > > >>
> > > >>As some of you might know, handling with Hebrew websites is rather
> > > >>difficult. Hebrew words often come-out in reversed order (i.e. 'lmth'
> > > >>instead of 'html').
> > > >>
> > > >>I'm working on a php3 script which would help me do the following -
> > > >>Load an existing HTML file which consists Hebrew words (as well as
> > > >> English words and HTML tags), then reversing the Hebrew words back
> > > >> to order.
> > > >>
> > > >>The problem I'm dealing with is how to reverse only the Hebrew words
> > > >> and not the entire
> > > >>document, which contains HTML tags and English words as well.
> > > >>The function 'hebrev()' does the process of reversing, but it
> > > >> reverses
> > >
> > > tags
> > >
> > > >>as well.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>I would really appreciate it, if anyone will find some spare time to
> > > >> help me.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Thank you in advance -
> > > >>
> > > >> Aviv Revach
> > > >>
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> > > >>
> > > >>
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