I hear you. Another thing that's hard to find, is somebody who is a
good programmer, and a good graphic designer. I don't really know
any, apart from myself, and I've been just shy of being called a lying
scumbag by a few HR companies over the years when they look at
my resume ;-)

This thread has really fired up my desire to go the states.... US$80
an hour for php.... daaaaaaaaaaaamn, that's a shitload more than I
make here, which is more like US$20/hr

Gfunk         -          http://www.gfunk007.com/

I sense much beer in you. Beer leads to intoxication, intoxication to
hangovers, and hangovers to... suffering.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Sharp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???


> I find this an interesting topic...
>
> One thing that we've found when looking for additional PHP programmers to
> add is that since PHP has exploded there are a lot of people out there
> coding in PHP that don't have a background in programming or some of the
> design considerations. We've looked at various places from techies.com to
> guru.com and haven't found that many PHP gurus out there. So in terms of
> skill level, what do you all see the going rate? I know I'm currently
> underpaid at $25/hour and I do ALL the PHP programming, project
management,
> engineering, database theory etc...oh...and did I mention I do all the
> network support too? (I'm taking my CCNA in June...) so yeah...we're a
> starup what did you expect?! =)
>
> Comments?
>
> Disclaimer: I don't mean to offend anyone out there who codes in PHP. But
> from the experience that I've had trying to find someone who can really
code
> clean, effecient stuff that plugs into the whole picture has been
virtually
> non-existent...(if you do, please call! We have a few openings!)
>
> Thanks,
> -Jonathan Sharp
>
> Director of Technology - Imprev Inc.
> Renwick Development Group - Flyerware
> http://www.flyerware.com/
> Phone: (425)688-9200
> Cell: (425)766-1398
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:40 PM
> To: Shane McBride
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???
>
>
>
> Hey Shane,
>
> This is a tricky issue, here's me (USD):
>
>   $60/hr
>   $30/hr if end result becomes open sourced (no strings)
>
> General discounts for features such as : fun,true non-profit,intelligent
> employer,learning curve and it all lives on a sliding scale depending on
> their ability to pay and my desire for work/money (time).  Also, barter
> is usually an option.  Usually hovers between 30-50 and one day this will
> go up :-)  This is the most difficult part of the job, time estimates
> and pricing.  Bah.  "Just give me money and I'll do stuff."
>
> Regards,
>
> Philip Olson
> http://www.cornado.com/
>
>
> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 03:25:27PM -0500, Shane McBride wrote:
> > I know this is not really a PHP question, but it should make for a good
> > thread. :)
> >
> > I was wondering what other PHP people charge to write PHP? I have just
> > been given a project for a fairly large customer, much larger than I
> > normally do work for. So I am VERY confused.concerned about how to price
> > it. Most of my other PHP projects have been done for small single owners
> > businesses, and the PHP has been pretty basic.
> >
> > Now that I can actually do what I am being asked without have to learn
> > it, I am stuck. I did a shopping cart for someone, but I didn't charge
> > them a REAL price because I didn't know how to do it with PHP. So, I of
> > course didn't charge the client for my learning curve.
> >
> > I know the price is very dependant upon the task. What I am doing is
> > creating a web-based front-end for a MySQL database. I'll need to create
> > the database tables, etc. The front-end is going to be rather dynamic
> > since the data content depends largely on the previous choices of the
> > end-user. One or two tables with 20-30 fields. 5-6 pages of html and
> > PHP.
> >
> > I'm just scouting this out, and am VERY confident with the contributors
> > to this list and their opinions.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Shane
>
>
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