Yes, this would make it possible to share back-end components between 
test-frameworks - I believe the document explains as much?

And yes, some of us write tests and don't use PHPUnit.

The idea came about during some preliminary discussions with a collaborator 
about building a new test-framework - so we're doing this work either way, 
and it occurred to me this could be useful.

The Javascript testing ecosystem has more options besides a single, 
monolithic, proprietary test-framework - and is more modular. I've been 
using Tape, and being able to select components and build small, focused, 
modular test-suites is quite enjoyable.

Either way, whether we label this as a PSR, I'm mostly indifferent - we'll 
most likely offer the interfaces as a separate package and spec either way.

I figured something like this might help bring some of that modular joy to 
PHP, that's all :-)


On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 8:13:00 PM UTC+2, Larry Garfield wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 2:56:13 PM CDT Rasmus Schultz wrote: 
> > Hey Figs, 
> > 
> > I wrote an early draft of an API for interoperability of back-end 
> > components in test-frameworks. 
> > 
> > That's kind of wordy, so for now I'm referring to this as 
> "test-interop". 
> > 
> > The draft and interfaces are here: 
> > 
> > https://bitbucket.org/mindplaydk/test-interop/src/master/ 
> > 
> > The idea is to provide a simple kind of streaming message protocol for 
> > test-frameworks to back-end components, e.g. pretty-printers, reporters, 
> > etc. 
> > 
> > For now, it's a few interfaces based on the semantics and properties of 
> > JUnit XML reports, which are fairly universal. 
> > 
> > The interfaces can't really enforce call order, so for now, there's a 
> > mandate about dispatching messages chronologically, and for 
> test-listeners 
> > to throw exceptions if messages arrive out of order. (It's not too 
> shaky, 
> > but not exactly rock-solid, and I'm definitely open to ideas.) 
> > 
> > Anyhow. Wondering if there's any interest in this? 
> > 
> > Cheers, 
> >   Rasmus 
>
> Interesting concept.  However, I'm not sure who the target audience is. 
>  Is 
> this something that would be helpful to the authors of 
> PHPUnit/Mockery/etc?   
> Or to users writing tests using those?  Or...? 
>
> It would need at least some buy-in from the target audience in order to 
> proceed.  Eg, if Sebastian said he was in and interested, that would make 
> it a 
> lot more reasonable. 
>
> (Are there test runners other than PHPUnit that anyone actually uses? 
>  Honest 
> question...) 
>
> --Larry Garfield

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