Hi Alice, and welcome to this mailing list.
I'm sorry but I think you misread the previous response: we're not talking
about RPM, but NPM, and Yarn. They are JS-specific package managers, that
are designed to resolve exactly what you need. You should also take a look
at Symfony WebPack Encore, that would solve even better your needs, with a
nice packing of CSS and JS
together: https://symfony.com/doc/current/frontend.html
Il giorno lunedì 5 marzo 2018 01:07:33 UTC+1, Alice Wonder ha scritto:
>
> What I am going to do is create a reference implementation for a class
> that adds JavaScript and CSS to a document that will allow third party
> JS/CSS to be packaged separately.
>
> My reference class itself will not be of benefit to 99% of the world
> because it will use DOMDocument but from it, hopefully it will demonstrate
> what a standard interface could be like, and then if such as PSR is ever
> standardized I could then port the reference class to actually implement
> what is agreed upon.
>
> Bundling 3rd part JS/CSS into an app for production deployment though is
> just fundamentally wrong IMHO and right now that's what has to be done for
> both composer and RPM installs.
>
> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:13:24 PM UTC-8, Alice Wonder wrote:
>>
>> Yes I am extremely familiar with RPM and have been packaging RPMs since
>> the Red Hat 6.0 days (pre Fedora)
>>
>> But they don't address this issue. For example, the RPMs that exist for
>> roundcube mail include jQuery and other 3rd party JS in the roundcube RPM
>> itself because their is no standard way to for roundcube to say it needs
>> jQuery X.
>>
>> PHP class dependencies can be in separate packages thanks to autoloaders,
>> but not the JavaScript
>>
>> On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 5:29:39 PM UTC-8, Alice Wonder wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have a php class that generates an HTML5 audio player with support for
>>> WebVTT captions and chapters and is very accessible.
>>>
>>> It's a personal class, I am not distributing it as FLOSS and I probably
>>> won't, but it uses jQuery and its own JavaScript and it's own CSS (in an
>>> external file, I do not allow the style attribute in my code) and its own
>>> webfont that is used kind of like an image sprite but better IMHO than
>>> using an image sprite (for the interface buttons).
>>>
>>> Anyway one of the things that literally bothers me about so many web
>>> applications is they bundle scripts many of which (e.g. jQuery) are third
>>> party to the web application.
>>>
>>> I was thinking it would be good for something *like* PSR-4 to exist for
>>> non-php resources.
>>>
>>> What I mean is Web Application A requires jQuery >= 3 but doesn't need
>>> to bundle it itself, where the bundled often often becomes stale.
>>>
>>> Instead there could be a PSR class interface defined so that when the
>>> web application needs to add jQuery to the (x)html document head - it could
>>> call
>>>
>>> $whatever::addJavaScript("jQuery:jQuery", "3.0");
>>>
>>> Class $whatever would then look in virtual vendor namespace "jQuery" for
>>> a script that meets the name definition of "jQuery" with minimum version
>>> "3.0" and returns the appropriate URI to add to the script node.
>>>
>>> For people who use composer it may not make much difference, they will
>>> end up with stale version over time (or initially if a composer.lock file
>>> is used) just like they often end up with stale unpatched vulnerable
>>> versions of class libraries - but for those who actually update their
>>> installs periodically (or use an actual package manager which composer is
>>> not) it could be of a great benefit.
>>>
>>> I already do something similar for my own private web apps, it could
>>> IMHO be a huge benefit if there was a standardized way of doing it.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>
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