Black ones seem to be Latrodectus hesperus, the western black widow.  The other 
is likely Laterodectus geometricus, the brown widow.  The latter is less deadly 
and has a much greater range.  Newly established in southern California.
> On 25/07/2023 18:35 Larry Colen <[email protected]> wrote:
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> I'm pretty confident that the first one is a black widow, but I'm not so sure 
> about the ones with the striped legs:
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720310015924
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