On Mar 18, 2011, at 10:20 PM, steve harley wrote: > On 2011-03-18 19:44 , Paul Stenquist wrote: >> I find the left's enthusiasm for wikileaks to be rather simplistic. >> >> Privacy is necessary in personal life, in business dealings, and -- yes -- >> in government as well. Government officials have to be able to correspond in >> confidence at times. Strategies to defend against terrorism have to remain >> confidential. And don't forget that wikileaks released the names of Afthan >> citizens who had tried to help defeat the Taliban, putting them in grave >> danger. Even Assange's cohorts said that action was despicable. >> >> Earlier, someone said it's only the U.S. that has a problem with wikileaks . >> That's not at all true. Almost all European nations have spoken out against >> the groups actions. There are government officials both in the U.S. and >> other countries who have and will violate the people's trust. But when >> exposing the few puts the many at risk, it's a bad deal. > > all governments have to drink the kool-aid; i suspect what was being > expressed was that European public opinion has a significantly different > statistical spread than US opinion > > regarding putting people at risk, the US government and others have been > shown to be willing to exploit secrecy for things that put people at risk: > torture, killing, starting wars, run-of-the-mill exploitation ... > > so it seems to be both a question of gradation and trade-offs; exposure of > secrets is (thankfully) far from the exclusive domain of wikileaks > >> If wikileaks has accomplished anything good, it would be that it has led the >> government to tighten security. The U.S. serviceman who provided much of the >> classified information that was released will spend most of his life in jail. > > we can guess the outcome, but at the moment he's undergoing pre-trial > torture, so he may lose the capability of rationally describing his actions
He's not being tortured. They took his clothes away and gave him a velcro sheath for night use, because he was considered a suicide risk. He's Obama's prisoner. Are you trying to say that our liberal democrat president is torturing a U.S. citizen? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
