On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > Unless you want to print your owndictionary.  :)  Of course, I could see 
> > that use of "civilian" in a joking manner, but as you informed us earlier, 
> > you never joke.
> > 
> > Nope. "Civilian" is used generically by nearly all crafts, hobbies and 
> > occupations to denote "persons who are not like us." 
> So to a person not affiliated with the PDML, we could readily call them 
> "Civilians" and 
> > be correct. The difference between me, you and the word "civilian" is I'm 
> > cosmopolitan about it while you? You're being a little anal.   

As at least two of us have shown you, that is not what "civilian" means,
according to dictionaries.  If you think that, you are wrong.  What you
are talking about is a humourous use of the word.  I was just trying to
point out to you that when people use the word "civilian" this way, they
are making a JOKE.  It is supposed to be HUMOUROUS, because of its
metaphorical implications and military meaning.  You seem to think that
"civilian" is a literal description of "outsiders," when it is
not.  Anyone who uses it this way is either misinformed or, IMO, a bit
pretentious.  I assume that you are misinformed, so I was just letting you
know that.

There's nothing wrong with ignorance.  There's a lot of things that I
don't know, and that's normal.  What I really hate is wilfull ignorance,
where people refuse to learn anything new because they assume that their
opinions are inherently correct.  I don't care if you want to remain
misinformed, but I don't want everyone else on the list to receive
erroneous information.

chris
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