Ok. Thanks.
Regards,
Bob...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: OT: Constitution (was Re: Next move from Pentax...)
>> From: "Bob Blakely"
>
>> For this reason, the Constitution written by the "fathers" initially
>> lacked the "Bill of Rights" we have now because the the "fathers" did
>> not believe it necessary. After all, the Constitution did not give
>> the federal government any power to regulate speech, press, religion,
>> etc., so they couldn't do it. The states, fearing the new federal
>> government would seek to extend it's power by removing liberty from
>> men as all previous governments had, demanded that certain rights be
>> specifically named as off limits to the new governments. These became
>> the first ten amendments to the Constitution known as "The Bill of
>> Rights". They are amendments (or changes) to the originally written
>> Constitution and so form a part of it. No state ratified the
>> Constitution until after the the document had been amended. All
>> amendments are a part of the Constitution.
>
> Back to grade school Bob ...
>
> It should be obvious the Bill of Rights can not pre-date the
> Constitution, since the mechanism for amending the Constitution did not
> exist UNTIL the Constitution was ratified. The Bill of Rights are
> amendments to the Constitution; without the Constitution there can be no
> amendments.
>
> Unlike the chicken and the egg, we know which came first.
>
> The United States had a government under the Articles of Confederation
> for more than 10 years before the Constitution.
>
> The Constitutional Convention of 1786 was an extra-governmental meeting
> of representatives from the various states, charged to find ways to
> improve the Articles of Confederation. Instead they wrote a NEW
> Constitution.
>
> The Constitutional Convention adjourned Sep 17, 1787.
>
> Congress - the Congress already in existence under the Articles of
> Confederation - agreed to send the new Constitution to the states for
> debate and ratification on Sep 28, 1787.
>
> The Constitution was adopted with New Hampshire's ratification on Jun
> 21, 1788. The Congress under the Articles continued to sit until late in
> 1788 before the new government under the Constitution could convene
> itself.
>
> A digression - George Washington was not the first president of the
> United States, he was the eleventh (or seventeenth if you count the
> Continental Congresses). His predecessors are usually forgotten because
> he was the first executive president elected under the NEW Constitution.
> John Hancock was "president" twice, once under the Second Continental
> Congress and once under the Articles of Confederation.
>
> The first ten amendments, commonly known as the Bill of Rights, were
> proposed on Sep 25, 1789, by the NEW Congress - more than a year after
> the ratification of the Constitution, and were all ratified at once with
> Virginia's ratification Dec 15, 1791.
>
> Only two of the original 13 states, North Carolina and Rhode Island,
> ratified the Constitution AFTER the Bill of Rights was proposed and both
> ratified the Constitution before ratifying the Bill of Rights; and both
> joined the Union before the Bill of Rights was adopted.
>
> Three of the original 13 states, Connecticut, Georgia and Massachusetts,
> did not ratify the Bill of Rights until 1939.
>
> Originally 12 amendments were proposed for the Bill of Rights; 10 were
> adopted. The first proposed amendment was not adopted.
>
> The second proposed amendment was finally adopted as the 27th Amendment
> to the Constitution in 1992.
>
> The third proposed amendment was adopted as the First Amendment of the
> Bill of Rights.
>
> Dates of Ratification - Constitution & Bill of Rights
>
> Delaware Constitution: Dec 7, 1787 Bill of Rights: Jan 28, 1790
> Pennsylvania Constitution: Dec 12, 1787 Bill of Rights: Mar 10, 1790
> New Jersey Constitution: Dec 18, 1787 Bill of Rights: Nov 20, 1789
> Connecticut Constitution: Jan 9, 1788 Bill of Rights: Apr 19, 1939
> Georgia Constitution: Feb 2, 1788 Bill of Rights: Mar 18, 1939
> Massachusetts Constitution: Feb 6, 1788 Bill of Rights: Mar 2, 1939
> Maryland Constitution: Apr 28, 1788 Bill of Rights: Dec 19, 1789
> South Carolina Constitution: May 23, 1788 Bill of Rights: Jan 19, 1790
> New Hampshire Constitution: Jun 21, 1788 Bill of Rights: Jan 25, 1790
> Virginia Constitution: Jun 25, 1788 Bill of Rights: Dec 15, 1791
> New York Constitution: Jul 26, 1788 Bill of Rights: Feb 24, 1790
> North Carolina Constitution: Nov 21, 1789 Bill of Rights: Dec 22, 1789
> Rhode Island Constitution: May 29, 1790 Bill or Rights: Jun 7, 1790
>
> The longest delay between ratification of the Constitution and
> ratification of the Bill of Rights is Connecticut's - Jan 9, 1788 to
> Apr 19, 1939; the shortest is Rhode Island's - May 29, 1790 to Jun 7,
> 1790.
>
>
>
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