BBEdit is superb. I miss it (Running a Vista system as my main box right now, need to get another Mac).
-Adam P. J. Alling wrote: > Sorry my text editor of choice is KEdit, a windows version of XEdit. > Extensible using REX, (I think I have a REX manual around here > somewhere), a language that is one understandable by mere mortals and > doesn't lead me to trying to rewrite the editor entirely, so I actually > get some work done. > > Gonz wrote: >> Then you need to run M-x doctor. >> (ever tried that?) >> :) >> >> On 10/16/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Now I know I'm in the twilight zone... >>> >>> Gonz wrote: >>> >>>> Exactly. I frequently run into situations where making very >>>> sophisticated edits to extremely large and complex files would have >>>> been impossible in any other editor (especially the practially useless >>>> vi). Emacs rules. I have a large library of Lisp emacs extensions >>>> for dozens of special needs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/16/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> But it's extensible using LISP, how could that be bad? >>>>> >>>>> Adam Maas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Actually it's just ingrained muscle memory, years of having to use vi >>>>>> while maintaining services on Unix machines means that the basic editing >>>>>> commands are pretty much automatic. vi is ideal for that use, it's >>>>>> lightweight and everything has it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I still :wq on a regular basis in just about every other editor/word >>>>>> processor. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want punishment, use emacs. All the weight of Word, none of the >>>>>> Eye Candy. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> P. J. Alling wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> You are a glutton for punishment... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam Maas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use vi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Adam >>>>>>>> Always the odd one out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use >>>>>>>>> WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll bet it's a 5/95 ratio if not higher. Not too different from >>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>> Pentax stands in the market, despite some recent relative success >>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>> K10D. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your suppositions are probably correct. When I say done for, I'm not >>>>>>>>> predicting when... I'm saying that inevitable market forces will >>>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>>> take their toll, unless something changes quickly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under >>>>>>>>>> NDA) ? >>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why? Pentax has never been a player in the Pro 35mm market. Not being >>>>>>>>>> one now will make little difference. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I expect to see them bring out a body above the K10D within the next >>>>>>>>>> 6 >>>>>>>>>> months, or a K10D 'successor' that is little more than the new Sony >>>>>>>>>> 12MP >>>>>>>>>> sensor and a new shutter in the K10D body, perhaps with a higher >>>>>>>>>> framerate. I don't expect to see a Pentax body above the $1300 or so >>>>>>>>>> price point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Adam >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the >>>>>>>>>>> next 6 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - 12 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> months though, I susect they are done for. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Mark Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "pdml" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under >>>>>>>>>>>> NDA) ? >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:59:17 -0400 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a "2nd tier >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> company". The company hasn't released a truly professional system >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end >>>>>>>>>>>> Pentax >>>>>>>>>>>> lens >>>>>>>>>>>> selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>>> the kind of professional support that Canon and Nikon do at major >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sporting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> events. Pentax products lack presence on store shelves in the USA. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Sessoms" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> NDA) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over-priced Honda. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Robb >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, >>>>>>>>>>>>> perception in the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more >>>>>>>>>>>>> than one with an APS-C size sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, then Pentax must also. >>>>>>>>>>>>> If they do not, they will relegate themselves to a 2nd >>>>>>>>>>>>> tier camera company, and it doesn't matter who loves their >>>>>>>>>>>>> camera, or how much it satisfies their current needs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Remember, it's pillage then burn. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>> follow the directions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Remember, it's pillage then burn. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
